R.I.P Heath Ledger

[DMTokie]

Jesus.

1) You don't know me, and not that it matters byt FYI I battled a 4 year addiction with drugs, and beat it on my own. No pussy rehab, not nothing. Pure fucking willpower. So fuck off tithead.

2) I'm not jealous, just insulted and repulsed. How can someone who have everything throw it all away. That's just utter disrespect to not only his family, but everyone in general who struggles with less than he had. He's a piece of shit to abuse drugs to the point of death, fuck him.

Wow dude, you were actually addicted to drugs and still feel this way. Either you're just really that much of an asshole or you have some serious self loathing going on. Probably both.

If you were actually ever junkie you would know how easy it is to die. was it hard to kick that Tylenol PM habit?

According to you, its more acceptable for regular people to do drugs than it is for celebrities, because celebrities have more to lose. You're retarded. Good night.

 

[Fetzer]

Actually, I would hardly live with fame. There is people that can't really live with that, you know.

 

[Ze Boy]

^HOLY FUCK I LOL'D AT THE PRINCESS DI THING

It's so very very wrong Ledger is fuckin lucky The Chasers War On Everything doesn't come on for a few months yet he'll still get it but not anywhere as bad

The Princess Di thing is just as plain wrong as it gets but the Irwin and Brocky (famous Aussie race car driver) part caused the most uproar they'd only died like week before but still it was absolutely hilariousuke:

 

[CliffBurton]

Well really now, Some of us are on edge .
All I read was there was sleeping pills by his bed, nothing about him overdosing or intentional suicide...Then again I'm not the type to look up celebrities.

Anywho...
Respect for the dead is simply respect for those who have lost someone dear to them, and they feel like shit because or it and balh blah.
Soo...I'm sorry if anyone here is a dear friend or close family member of Heath Ledger, because really there isn't much point getting so worked up over nothing.

Cold to think so, but dime a dozen, 5 years from no one will care.
Wasn't a fan of his films, can't actually think of any I've seen and liked actually (only one coming to mind is Knight's Tale, didn't like it).

And I gotta say I agree with Joe though. Really.
He had money, fame, good looks...and blew it. Celebrity life in general makes me go mental, simply because douches like Bono raise awareness of AIDS and Suffering Children and are seen as humanitarians and given a Nobel Piece Prize, then afterwards decide which Million Dollar Mansion they will stay at for the next few weeks, and buy a pair of $10,000 pants....Thats another rant, for another thread.

I do dissagree with some of the hostility. thats being tossed around .
The guy was a good actor, probably a good guy, and he died at 28.
Don't care if he suicided by anal pike because he ran out of diamonds to put in his Chai Tea, wasted life is a sad thing.

 

[spirit crusher]

Wow dude, you were actually addicted to drugs and still feel this way. Either you're just really that much of an asshole or you have some serious self loathing going on. Probably both.

If you were actually ever junkie you would know how easy it is to die. was it hard to kick that Tylenol PM habit?

According to you, its more acceptable for regular people to do drugs than it is for celebrities, because celebrities have more to lose. You're retarded. Good night.

I believe his point was that given the fact he was a celebrity Joe feels that a certain point of oppression would be overcome in his life due to the incredible surplus of money he had and the life of a proletariat would be far left behind. Joe comes from a town in which Ive lived in before for over a year where drugs are a huge problem, especially in the winter because theres simply nothing else to do, a lot of buddies of mine have had serious drug problems in that town, most of these buddies were living the life of the proletariat.

So with all the money in the world to do whatever he wanted, he chose drugs, and really...thats sad.

He should have chose booze.

 

[CliffBurton]

According to you, its more acceptable for regular people to do drugs than it is for celebrities, because celebrities have more to lose. You're retarded. Good night.

Celebrities are OFTEN given so much sympathy for their fuckups because they are Celebrities. Paris Hilton was Driving Drunk with a Suspended License...she was given a month in jail...and it was America's number one news story...

So basically. The guy was rich, EASILY to the point where he had no responsibilites in life pretty much. He could have quit actign and been financially secure his entire life...so he spent his wealth on drugs and died. Yeah..poor dude.

Edit: yeah what Bryan said :S
also...Celebrities don't have more to lose, they just have that much extra help.

 

[Ze Boy]

STFU Tokley your a fucking wankstain

New joke just on msn

Heath Ledger died of alcoholic poisoning




















....to many cock sucking cowboys

 

[Undefined]

Wow dude, you were actually addicted to drugs and still feel this way. Either you're just really that much of an asshole or you have some serious self loathing going on. Probably both.

Not really. I was a major drug addict I know the situation but I was also fucking young and poor. The guy had no reason to be that way, people make mistakes but that doesn't mean I have to pity his overprivileged ass. Fuck him, hope he thought it was worth it.

If you were actually ever junkie you would know how easy it is to die. was it hard to kick that Tylenol PM habit?

Your attempt at trivializing my situation to try and make me mad has failed. Congrats. Stop being butthurt. I don't know if you're an ex-crackhead just projecting your hatred onto me or you're some rabid Brokeback Mountain fanboi (probably both) but you need to slow your role.

According to you, its more acceptable for regular people to do drugs than it is for celebrities, because celebrities have more to lose.

Not acceptable, just more understandable. The fact a person with less income doesn't have much to lose and doesn't have as great of an opportunity to get help makes me more sympathetic. I'm not saying it's right, but to have more that 90% of the world and throw it away for drugs is a disgrace.

You're retarded. Good night.

These gentleman have actually proved the opposite:

And I gotta say I agree with Joe though. Really.
He had money, fame, good looks...and blew it. Celebrity life in general makes me go mental, simply because douches like Bono raise awareness of AIDS and Suffering Children and are seen as humanitarians and given a Nobel Piece Prize, then afterwards decide which Million Dollar Mansion they will stay at for the next few weeks, and buy a pair of $10,000 pants.

Not a direct follow-up to my point but your heart was in the right place and I agree.

I believe his point was that given the fact he was a celebrity Joe feels that a certain point of oppression would be overcome in his life due to the incredible surplus of money he had and the life of a proletariat would be far left behind. Joe comes from a town in which Ive lived in before for over a year where drugs are a huge problem, especially in the winter because theres simply nothing else to do, a lot of buddies of mine have had serious drug problems in that town, most of these buddies were living the life of the proletariat.

So with all the money in the world to do whatever he wanted, he chose drugs, and really...thats sad.

/pointlessarguement

So basically. The guy was rich, EASILY to the point where he had no responsibilites in life pretty much. He could have quit actign and been financially secure his entire life...so he spent his wealth on drugs and died. Yeah..poor dude.

Yeh, I change my mind I feel so bad for him, fuck starving children... this guy is a true victim

 

[Mystique1721]

Joe, just because someone has all the money in the world and everything material they could hope for, doesn't mean they're happy. maybe the guy was suffering from depression or something. my point is, money doesn't mean you have a good life-- you can still suffer mentally.

 

[spirit crusher]

Considering he was living in the United States and with their obviously abhorrent health care system, he would actually have more means and resources to resolve his mental illnesses. Certainly much more than the average person, plus fame gets you the good doctors down there. Money buys something a hell of a lot more important than material objects, it provides you with the ability to be private in your actions, sure you might have paparazzi trying to follow you everywhere but its easy to get away from. With money you can exist on a totally different plane than the working class citizens of the world escape to your tropical paradises and places of solace. Hell he would be one of those people lucky enough to lock himself in a cave for a month and figure out his own mind via meditation and critical thinking. Something which I would love to do, but have not the resources or money to be able to do so.

 

[Fetzer]

Joe, just because someone has all the money in the world and everything material they could hope for, doesn't mean they're happy. maybe the guy was suffering from depression or something. my point is, money doesn't mean you have a good life-- you can still suffer mentally.

Yeah exactly. And with all the fucking in the world, what is there else to do than to buy all the fucking drug in the world? Hard to do an overdose of anything when you hardly have 20 bucks in your pocket. (Well tho it's really possible), even if it's more logical to take drug when you are poor than when you are rich.

But again, money doesn't make you happy, good for you if you believe it can clear all your problems.

 

[Mystique1721]

Considering he was living in the United States and with their obviously abhorrent health care system, he would actually have more means and resources to resolve his mental illnesses. Certainly much more than the average person, plus fame gets you the good doctors down there. Money buys something a hell of a lot more important than material objects, it provides you with the ability to be private in your actions, sure you might have paparazzi trying to follow you everywhere but its easy to get away from. With money you can exist on a totally different plane than the working class citizens of the world escape to your tropical paradises and places of solace. Hell he would be one of those people lucky enough to lock himself in a cave for a month and figure out his own mind via meditation and critical thinking. Something which I would love to do, but have not the resources or money to be able to do so.

You don't understand what I'm saying. Just because you have a mental problem and you are person with money doesn't mean you are going to rid yourself of that problem, no matter what your resources may be. What if he's always been suicidal or has never recovered from some loss in his life? Just because he can physically escape to paradise doesn't mean his mind can. Just because he has money to see the best psychologist in the world, doesn't mean the psychologist will actually cure his problem. Speaking from a psychoanalytic point of view, the mind is a dangerous place that can't always recover from whatever it is that it's suffering from.

 

[Undefined]

Joe, just because someone has all the money in the world and everything material they could hope for, doesn't mean they're happy. maybe the guy was suffering from depression or something. my point is, money doesn't mean you have a good life-- you can still suffer mentally.

I didn't say money buys happiness. I just said it is more disgusting for me to see some asshole throw it all away for nothing. He had mental problems? Cry me a fucking river, who doesn't? Substance abuse isn't the answer. It's not like he was an unliked person with no means to get help, so fuck him for not doing so. Putting his family through this over what? Rich or poor anyone who does that is a piece of shit.

Considering he was living in the United States and with their obviously abhorrent health care system, he would actually have more means and resources to resolve his mental illnesses. Certainly much more than the average person, plus fame gets you the good doctors down there. Money buys something a hell of a lot more important than material objects

QFT

Yeah exactly. And with all the fucking in the world, what is there else to do than to buy all the fucking drug in the world? Hard to do an overdose of anything when you hardly have 20 bucks in your pocket. (Well tho it's really possible), even if it's more logical to take drug when you are poor than when you are rich.

But again, money doesn't make you happy, good for you if you believe it can clear all your problems.

Play me the world's smallest violin. Money doesn't make you happy, but if you have money it can help you find a way to be happier. It stops you from going hungry, or without things you want which is in a way the cause of most human suffering. No worries about rent, or anything like that. So the money blocks out all these things that could drive a person to drugs in the first place, so what the fuck else did he have to be sad about? Seriously, to shit on all the good he had, it's fucking repulsive.

You don't understand what I'm saying. Just because you have a mental problem and you are person with money doesn't mean you are going to rid yourself of that problem, no matter what your recourses may be. What if he's always been suicidal or has never recovered from some loss in his life? Just because he can physically escape to paradise doesn't mean his mind can. Just because he has money to see the best psychologist in the world, doesn't mean the psychologist will actually cure his problem. Speaking from a psychoanalytic point of view, the mind is a dangerous place that can't always recover from whatever it is that it's suffering from.

We can speculate all we want, but in the end, whatever the case may be, who gives a fuck. People are too fucking emotional nowadays. Grow the fuck up. Even if what you're saying is true, his actions aren't justified and it's still bullshit. I hope he fucking lived it up partying because look what it got him, all his hard work down the drain... all the talent, the money, etc... whether it was an O.D. or suicide, he still fucked up bad and I have no pity, the asshole.

With all the good he had in his life, there's nothing that will convince me he had some insurmountable problem he couldn't fix.

 

[spirit crusher]

@Mystique
The problem is you're just assuming he was in an inescapable situation. You simply just stated in your previous post, what if he suffered mentally? I simply explained why money could possibly help him out in that way far greater than a lack of money. Personally I don't prescribe to the "I'm suicidal cause I'm famous" bullshit there are people living in suburbia hell who are a lot more depressed and can't afford to off themselves because their continual income supports their family month by month. Your assumption about the mind not being able to recover from whatever it is suffering from is flawed. The understanding of the human brain and how it works is still in the zygote phase of its life. The nature of belief and the nature of memory is something that not even the most prominent of neuropsychologists can begin to explain with full certainty there is much speculation around the subject.

 

[Mystique1721]

We can speculate all we want, but in the end, whatever the case may be, who gives a fuck. People are too fucking emotional nowadays. Grow the fuck up.

I agree, people are overly emotional. especially when it comes to this celebrity bullshit. And I absolutely hate how American news focuses on all this anna nicole smith and paris hilton bullshit as if it's actually critical news.

but that's besides the point. it just seemed to me that you were saying "hey he's a rich fuck who did drugs, and he's a selfish bastard for killing himself when his family will now suffer. and he should've lived cuz he has all he could want in this world." I was just saying that that is not necessarily the case. Maybe he desired death for a long time and he just finally did it. Again, all of us are just speculating, so whatever I guess.

@Mystique
The problem is you're just assuming he was in an inescapable situation. You simply just stated in your previous post, what if he suffered mentally? I simply explained why money could possibly help him out in that way far greater than a lack of money. Personally I don't prescribe to the "I'm suicidal cause I'm famous" bullshit there are people living in suburbia hell who are a lot more depressed and can't afford to off themselves because their continual income supports their family month by month. Your assumption about the mind not being able to recover from whatever it is suffering from is flawed. The understanding of the human brain and how it works is still in the zygote phase of its life. The nature of belief and the nature of memory is something that not even the most prominent of neuropsychologists can begin to explain with full certainty there is much speculation around the subject.

"mind" and "brain" have different designations. what you're talking about is science and what I was talking about is more emotion-related. The mind can seriously fuck up pretty bad sometimes and never recover. Look at all the psychopaths for example. People who murder other people and cut up their skins so they can can wear it, it's like a disease that not even money can cure.

so when you said this

Your assumption about the mind not being able to recover from whatever it is suffering from is flawed.

you are incorrect. terminally ill doesn't only apply to physical illness but mental as well.


and of course none of us know what really was going on with Heath in particular, but now I'm assuming we're all just speaking theoretically and generally, for the sake of discussion.

 

[spirit crusher]

No, you are incorrect once again, you are diagnosing a situation without full well knowing what the problem is, until we can understand why psychopaths murder other people and wear their faces its impossible to assume that its a terminal illness and as I've previously stated the surface has barely been scratched into the studying of the brain and mind. You're also wrong to assume that emotions have nothing to do with science. In fact emotions are related to science. emotions are directly linked to the evolution of our species as well as the species of others. Don't think humans aren't anything but animals.

 

[Mystique1721]

yeah what separates us from animals is the fact that we have a conscience. And never did I say that emotion has nothing to do with science. I know it's linked to the scientific function of the brain.

And we DO know why some psychopaths act the way they do. It's things like childhood abuse or abnormal hatred that cause abnormal behaviour, or it is possible that even a bad gene that is inherited can cause things such as schizophrenia (I have read about genes effecting mental illness, so don't tell me it's not possible). And did you not completely read what I wrote? I admitted that we were indeed all speculating; I did not diagnose anything, just stating possibilities.

 

[spirit crusher]

yeah what separates us from animals is the fact that we have a conscience. And never did I say that emotion has nothing to do with science. I know it's linked to the scientific function of the brain.

And we DO know why some psychopaths act the way they do. It's things like childhood abuse that cause abnormal behaviour, or maybe it's even a bad gene that is inherited that cause things such as schizophrenia. And did you not read what I wrote complete? I admitted that we were indeed all speculating; I did not diagnose anything, just stating possibilities.

Actually animals do tend to display conscience like behaviour definitely not in the capacity that we humans do, possibly our highly evolved pre-frontal cortex plays a part in that.

 

[Mystique1721]

conscience as in we are morally aware.

 

[CRrEiTsIRED]

He had such a sexy voice I actually had a dream about Heath Ledger once.

Anyway, don't get so worked up, you guys. Trying to make a point as hard as some of you are trying to do is pretty pointless here. It's like talking to a wall, a total waste of time, and makes this shithole of a place lose it's entartainment purpose.