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[derek]

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Subtitles ALL the way. Dubbing is widely acknowledged as culturally deficient.

The remake is supposed to be out October this year, btw.

 

[Cat5Messiah]

October!

Bah, I hate waiting.

 

[Dead Winter]

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Subtitles ALL the way. Dubbing is widely acknowledged as culturally deficient.

The remake is supposed to be out October this year, btw.

Oh how I hate dubbing. EVERYTHING here is dubbed and it ruins the film. They do a decent job of dubbing, it's not like old Bruce Lee movies or anything, but everyone says, "Italians are the best dubbers...", to which I follow up with, "Yes, because you're the only ones who do it."

 

[Karmic]

well that and most countries also dub their kid cartoons! so you can make that comparison too

 

[derek]

Oh how I hate dubbing. EVERYTHING here is dubbed and it ruins the film. They do a decent job of dubbing, it's not like old Bruce Lee movies or anything, but everyone says, "Italians are the best dubbers...", to which I follow up with, "Yes, because you're the only ones who do it."

Yeah, Italy is slowly realising how culturally deficient dubbing is, but it is very, very slow. Most cinemas still show dubbed movies. A few bigger places showed English movies when I was there, but the overwhelming number were dubbed.

 

[Dead Winter]

Every single cinema is dubbed in Italy; they just have "original language nights" like twice a week and those are for the movies that everyone has already seen dubbed.

Italy fucking sucks at film and cinema...always have and always will. Their movies are shit, their horror is shit, and their comedies aren't even humorous. Italians have zero sense of humor and no concept of subtlety. Every single joke I've ever heard in Italian I always cut the speaker off with the punchline. They always ask, "Oh so you've heard it?" I just say, "No, but the punchline was so painfully obvious that a retard could guess it and it's not even funny."

Someone told me one day that his wife didn't like Nicolas Cage anymore as an actor when she finally watched a movie in original language. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard...why don't we just dub in Sean Connery's voice for every single actor if that's the case?

 

[derek]

I watched a lot of Carabinieri when I lived there. It is insanely funny, despite not supposing to be.

As for Italian cinema, it used to have some sublime pictures/directors. La Dolce Vita???

 

[EricT]

Every single cinema is dubbed in Italy; they just have "original language nights" like twice a week and those are for the movies that everyone has already seen dubbed.

Italy fucking sucks at film and cinema...always have and always will. Their movies are shit, their horror is shit, and their comedies aren't even humorous. Italians have zero sense of humor and no concept of subtlety. Every single joke I've ever heard in Italian I always cut the speaker off with the punchline. They always ask, "Oh so you've heard it?" I just say, "No, but the punchline was so painfully obvious that a retard could guess it and it's not even funny."

Someone told me one day that his wife didn't like Nicolas Cage anymore as an actor when she finally watched a movie in original language. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard...why don't we just dub in Sean Connery's voice for every single actor if that's the case?

You guys have a few good movies...

Io Non Ho Puara...

Umm...

Ok, so you've had one good movie. Shit, even Poland has 3.

Could be worse, still. You COULD be Czechoslovakia.

Edit: I suppose we can count "Life is Beautiful" as well, though, I find it quite overrated. So you have 2 good films. Possibly Benigni's The Monster also... 3. You'd be on par with Poland if you didn't lost a point for that horrid adaptation of Pinocchio that Benigni did.

 

[Dead Winter]

I think there's ONE film from Dario Argento that's OK, but it's still silly. Italy is known for it's silliness and being over the top in horror and gore rather than actual GOOD film making. Everything here is over the top, so I guess it should only work as well for films.

 

[derek]

I love Italy. I can see myself living there in the future. Terrible cinema or not!

 

[Dead Winter]

That's why I'm still here, though. There are many annoyances and they drive me insane sometimes, but they are small and relatively insignificant. Sometimes we have to wake ourselves up and realize that life's actually pretty damn good here. They still can't grasp the concept that even though the gasoline prices are cheaper in the states, it's more expensive in the long run. They see the exchange rate is better here and make the connection without any real idea just how big the engines are in American vehicles and what it takes to run them. Very traditional, sometimes even bordering on one-dimensional, but never to an extreme.

As an example, you'll notice that Italians seem to have the answer to all the world's problems, yet they can't seem to move out of their parents' house before the age of 35. Italy is the European America.

But these are just attitudes and no one is starving in the streets, getting gunned down by gangs, etc. I'd say that Italians have a particular bubble mindset very similar to many Americans, but it never borders on idiocy or anything. It's just humorous sometimes. Some of them are idiots, but just like Americans, the small minority gives the vast majority a bad name.

Today I had an argument with a student on where Alaska is located. Even after explaining that I lived there for three years, he still didn't believe me. Then he realized he was an idiot.

 

[Chromatose]

No appreciation for Federico Fellini?

 

[Dead Winter]

SPOILER ALERT!!!! SPOILER ALERT!!!!

Back to the film, maybe it was because I was playing scales while watching it because I was so bored, but did I miss something? The old creature with giantism swinging a hammer at the end...where the fuck did that come from, and what the fuck did it have to do with the movie? The "demon banishing" heard in the tape...ok so there's a supernatural part to all this as well, but where did this fucking Joey-Ramone-with-saggy-tits come from? The camera dude goes into the attic and of course the little kid jumps out at him (which I timed perfectly..blah), lights shut off, turn the night cam on, and there's Gumby walking down the hallway swinging a ball hammer. People are praising this as the scariest ending of all time, blah blah blah, and I just don't see it. They try to sneak by her/it, and of course it gives chase, then it goes into some Blair Witch bullshit and chick gets drug down the hallway. Thuh End. Any explanation behind the demon/thing/Joey Ramone lookalike and why obviously the ritual didn't work to keep it imprisoned? This is the biggest letdown since the 9th Gate. I'm really hoping I was just preoccupied with my guitar at the time and wasn't paying enough attention and missed a key element...but I don't think I did.

The coolest part was when they reached the top and looked down the stairs at everyone coming for them...that was awesome.

 

[Dead Winter]

No appreciation for Federico Fellini?

Ok, La Dolce Vita. I'll say that Italian film in the 60's WAS very good, some of the best. But from the 70's on it was just dogshit.

 

[rms]

I think there's ONE film from Dario Argento that's OK, but it's still silly. Italy is known for it's silliness and being over the top in horror and gore rather than actual GOOD film making. Everything here is over the top, so I guess it should only work as well for films.

Susperia is pretty much amazing imo

 

[derek]

I'd say mid 70s until the mid 90s. Italian cinema is good, but it mostly appreciated outside of Italy.

Benigni? Moretti? Tornatore? Salvatore?

 

[Dead Winter]

Benigni is of course a great filmmaker, but not because he's Italian. He's just a great filmmaker.

I think Italian film is appreciated in a cult sort of way, such as Cannibal Holocaust and such. Suspiria is a great film, yes, but that's about the only one imo. I need to see The Third Mother before I make a decision, however.

Again, the best Italian cinema in my opinion is from the 60's. Divorzio all'Italiana is absolutely fantastic.

 

[derek]

It's arguable that Italy has declined in many ways since the 60s. Not just cinema.

 

[Dead Winter]

Whaddya mean "arguable"? It's downright true.

 

[Calamitas1786]

SPOILER ALERT!!!! SPOILER ALERT!!!!

Back to the film, maybe it was because I was playing scales while watching it because I was so bored, but did I miss something? The old creature with giantism swinging a hammer at the end...where the fuck did that come from, and what the fuck did it have to do with the movie? The "demon banishing" heard in the tape...ok so there's a supernatural part to all this as well, but where did this fucking Joey-Ramone-with-saggy-tits come from? The camera dude goes into the attic and of course the little kid jumps out at him (which I timed perfectly..blah), lights shut off, turn the night cam on, and there's Gumby walking down the hallway swinging a ball hammer. People are praising this as the scariest ending of all time, blah blah blah, and I just don't see it. They try to sneak by her/it, and of course it gives chase, then it goes into some Blair Witch bullshit and chick gets drug down the hallway. Thuh End. Any explanation behind the demon/thing/Joey Ramone lookalike and why obviously the ritual didn't work to keep it imprisoned? This is the biggest letdown since the 9th Gate. I'm really hoping I was just preoccupied with my guitar at the time and wasn't paying enough attention and missed a key element...but I don't think I did.

The coolest part was when they reached the top and looked down the stairs at everyone coming for them...that was awesome.

Most likely the Joey Ramone thing is what was being spoken of in the tapes and written about in the clippings. It wasn't possessed, it just had the virus. The Vatican just deduced it was a demonic possession. The dude probably kidnapped it so he could experiment on it some more. Judging by the looks of it, it had been there awhile.