Recomend bands! (Kata-sounding or not)
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Hobo said:
I have an old and slow pc and I can´t listen to those links..
What about bringing your band´s demo with you next time we meet? I´m really curious to listen to it!
btw..I managed to see the Opeth concert, it was awesome! But Klubben is really small...and the Swedish audience doesn´t move that much, but I already knew it...I´ll tell you more about it next time we meet!
jesse
living, breathing
LoboUivante said:
Uhh.. Excuse me?
I wouldn't call us (DAYLIGHT DIES) carbon copies of Katatonia in the least. I'd be slightly offended but it's clear you haven't even listened to us, nor a band like SHAPE OF DESPAIR to make such comments. Both of us draw influences from Katatonia, as well as many other bands (Paradise Lost, The Cure, old Saturnus, Anathema, old Sentenced, Tiamat, the list goes on and on..). We are intent to do our own thing and make our own mark. Anyone who actually listens to DAYLIGHT DIES or SHAPE OF DESPAIR should realize this.
Anyone interested should goto http://www.daylightdies.com or http://www.shapeofdespair.tk/ and investigate themselves (or listen to our new demo @ www.daylightdies.com/ltbdemo.mp3).
Being friends with SHAPE OF DESPAIR I assure you they would fiercely disagree being called a carbon copy of anything.
Khayman666
Lord of the tomb
Jinn
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LoboUivante
my tummy hurts
jesse said:
well, indeed i have listened to shape of despair mostly, and downloaded some daylight dies. the bands are good, i don't listen to shape because they are too much depressing for me at this moment, and to daylight just because the time hasn't come. i said carbon copies and "evolutions" of the same, which mean you are making your own sound based on katatonia, which is nothing less than a compliment, peace.
LoboUivante said:
hmm..I dont think daylight dies sounds like katatonia at all. Sure, alot the music contains the same emotions but they are put across very differently.
You wouldnt say every band that sounds dark and depressive are all rip offs of each other.
Daylight dies have more complex song structers and rythms etc, and can have a more aggressive approach.
Alot of people seem to dismiss bands before they even give them a fair listen.
Im not saying you did this, but some do.
I urge anyone who hasnt checked out Daylight dies to do so now
The Foreverlorn
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all possible thumbs up for knowing this band!!!Deliverance6 said:
I'd like to mention Songs:Ohia (esp. "The lioness" - Jason Molina's vocals are amazing...), a Finnish band named This Empty Flow (unfortunately R.I.P.), Sage Francis (very intense, intelligent and atmospheric Hip Hop - check out the song "Sea lion" feat. Will Oldham), At the Drive-in (R.I.P.), The Mars Volta, Arcturus, Cathedral...
Deliverance6
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LoboUivante said:
I wouldnt exactly call that a compliment.....I dont think they make their own sound BASED on Katatonia........just my opinion......oh and I really do like Daylight Dies too....
ether
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actually I think there is no band that sounds like Katatonia, simply because katatonia are unique and maybe Katatonia fans can like thousands of other good bands with their own sound...but no one will be like Katatonia!
I guess we have more or less the same musical taste of Katatonia members ( a part from Anders maybe...
), just look at their play lists all over these years and you´ll find a lot of interesting bands!
and Daylight Dies rock! Too bad I didn´t see them live, I ´ve heard they are really good live!
I guess we have more or less the same musical taste of Katatonia members ( a part from Anders maybe...
), just look at their play lists all over these years and you´ll find a lot of interesting bands!and Daylight Dies rock! Too bad I didn´t see them live, I ´ve heard they are really good live!
LoboUivante
my tummy hurts
I'm listening to Daylight Dies more attentively (no reply), it's well performed, but references from Katatonia are pretty visible, from the lead guitar, to the gutural parts. songs structures are more complex, it's good music nevertheless. and since this release its from 2002, they must have their sound more tuned in. coolness.
jesse
living, breathing
LoboUivante said:
You are still entirely missing the point. Or maybe there is a communication problem, or a language issue. But to say we or Shape of Despair are a "carbon copy" of anything and then to go further and say that we are "basing our sound on" any other band is unfair and wrong. Daylight Dies nor Shape of Despair are basing our sound on anyone. Would you have said Katatonia used to be a "carbon copy" of Paradise Lost? They used to have identical lead tones and numerous other similarities. Would you say Anathema is a "carbon copy" of Pink Floyd? Numerous songs on Alternative 4 and Judgment have extreme similarities. I could go on and on with just about any band.
The bottomline is Daylight Dies nor Shape of Despair is a carbon copy nor basing our sound on anyone. We are intent in doing our own thing and making our own mark. That becomes more pronounced with every release, as is true with every single band ever. Others have made other valid points as well, such as jptk: "You wouldnt say every band that sounds dark and depressive are all rip offs of each other."
You should perhaps be more aware of bands you pass judgment on in a public manner. Daylight Dies is to us (as well as Shape of Despair for Jarno) an incredibly central and critical part of our lives and mental health. Such casual and obviously uninformed statements are not only unfair, but just wrong.
Divatkreació
Nebulous termini
Medy said:aren't you speaking of Novembra? cause two guys from Klimt 1918 come from Novembra.
Novembra opened for Opeth a few years ago during the tour.
between, i met Klimt last summer at the Mera Luna, they're also very nice guys
Nope, I'm talking about Novembre. I've got all of their albums and been on the forum of the band for a long time so I know how to spell it
ether
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jesse said:
I think maybe there has been a misunderstanding from both parties...that a band bases its sound on another band is not exactely a compliment, but maybe he just wanted to say that Daylight dies are influenced by Katatonia...
the question is simply that EVERY band takes influences from other bands!
Take literature instead of music and you will see that from latin and greek literature to contemporary literature you won´t find a single original plot, because all plots in general are more or less the same, but yet every book is different from the other and every book says something in a particular style and way that differs from other books.
I mean, take Shakespeare for example, he´s continuosly quoting other authors along with mythology etc., but yet he cannot be called "a carbon copy or an evolution of another author"...he´s unique in his style, in the way he wrote his dramas, etc.
And actually every other author can be taken as an example...so it´s simply impossible to write something that someone hasn´t already done...
The same with music, you take influence from a band or a type of music and then you elaborate it in your own way, but you have to start from something, no one invents anything new, you have to find a starting point which doesn´t mean to copy another band becasue you cannot be original or you aren´t good enough to create your own music...
LoboUivante
my tummy hurts
jesse said:
Well, i guess using the term of "carbon copy" was a bit farfetched and misleading, therefore i apologize. But saying Katatonia hasn't influenced those bands is not valid. Take Daylight Dies, Rapture and Shape of Despair... they are a genre, they have a common things going on. Doing your own thing is complicated, and even if you could, nobody else would understand it... because it was "your own thing", and while your are being pigeonholed into a genre, that thing won't happen. For the trick to work your influences must be surpassed i think.
Now about Katatonia and Paradise Lost, it's known that PL heavily influenced Katatonia, to listen to Gothic is to see where Katatonia come from. Katatonia surpassed their influences, and made their own brand on things, and are a band that progresses with each and every album.
Anathema, even though being one of my former favorite bands, ripped of Celtic Frost and at some time where tryng to be a metal version of Pink Floyd , which doesn't bother me a bit, because they were creating meaningful songs and I didn't even know PF at that time. SO it was a good point to start.
About your remark of being personal on the music, i utterly understand because most likely without music i wouldn't be here. Your band is doing a good thing, I hope you guys manage to be all over the zone. cheers
jesse
living, breathing
LoboUivante said:
This is going to be my last reply because I think my point has been made very clearly by my previous posts.
My main objection to your initial post was calling us and Shape of Despair "carbon copies" of Katatonia. Then proceeding in subsequent posts to say we are "based on" their sound, which is untrue. It's just an incorrect statement, period. Those who actually listen to these bands know this as well, as they have indicated numerous times in this thread. You were making a judgment on several bands you don't even listen to, which is a mistake.
As far as your "surpassing their influences" statements, sure, Katatonia has mostly grown out of the Paradise Lost influence and more into The Cure and Tool (among others) influences with their newer material. And I say this without meaning to take away any of the incredible creativity and originality that they have. You have no idea how many times I've read various albums sounded "exactly like The Cure" or "exactly like Tool" and I absolutely reject those statements just like I reject yours. Those were clearly people passing judgment who didn't really listen much to the albums at all, which is obvious to those of us who do. And just because you "didn't know about Pink Floyd" when you began listening to Anathema doesn't make it any less of an extreme influence on them (and again I take nothing away from the creativity/originality of Anathema).
The post ether makes right before yours is also dead on. I don't reject the statement that DAYLIGHT DIES were influenced by Katatonia, we were. We were also influenced by Paradise Lost, Anathema, Death, The Cure, old Saturnus, old Sentenced, old Sepultura, old Metallica, Fields of the Nephilim, This Empty Flow, old Amorphis.. I could literally fill an entire page with bands that have influenced our sound. If you listen, you'll probably hear elements of all of them at certain times. We're bringing our elements, vibe and approach to the table. So my final words will be yet again: don't pass judgment on what you don't really listen to, it's not fair to the bands nor others who might have otherwise had interest in the band. Perhaps half of this is a miscommunication, a language issue. But in the future it's wise to know calling a band a "carbon copy" or "based" on another bands sound is not a compliment.
I appreciate others voicing up thus far as well -- many valid points made.
LoboUivante
my tummy hurts
don't forget opeth's Orchid. And I'm 22, and I've been to many places when it comes to music, and I have a very accurate ear. And I maintain my thoughts that these bands have heavy influences of Katatonia, I don't understand what's the big problem actually... I mean, all i said was that these bands based their sound on Katatonia, or if you prefer... gothic/doom/death metal... playing under a preset genre, not bringing anything really new but somehow evolving and improving... so what? I don't care, and I hope you guys are having fun. my cup of tea, and my opinion since I've had my share of listens. And again, I don't mean no disrespect.
Deliverance6
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LoboUivante said:
I just think you should first investigate a band thoroughly before you pass any kind of PUBLIC judgement on them.....I think your statements were poorly thought out.......saying a band has "heavy influences" is one thing....but saying that a band "bases their sound" is completely different......
I also want to say something about this statement by you...
"playing under a preset genre, not bringing anything really new but somehow evolving and improving"
I think that as musicians its all been done....I think that for the most part that is all we have ever done.....evolved and improved music....and I think that IS bringing something new to music.....its about the only thing left for us to give as musicians.....
anyway I dont mean any disrespect to you either....but I think you should choose your words a bit more carefully......Im not even sure if you know exactly what you are saying.....
Peace
LoboUivante
my tummy hurts
I comprehend your thoughts Deliverance, perhaps I have some kind of ill-manner of expression.
I dont agree with everything have been done as musicians, because Ive been listening to music that doesnt even belong to this stratosphere (maudlin of the Well, Kayo Dot, Mars Volta, Peccatum, Hum, even Fall of the Leafe) so there are many areas still staying in the dark and where improvement is due I mean, even black metal is getting better with the likes of Vintersorg and Borknagar (and who could ever say that black metal could be something good after Mayhem). There are those bands that pick something that already has been done, and add their own thing improving the genre and making a completely thing apart, those are the so called musicians
Peace mate.
I dont agree with everything have been done as musicians, because Ive been listening to music that doesnt even belong to this stratosphere (maudlin of the Well, Kayo Dot, Mars Volta, Peccatum, Hum, even Fall of the Leafe) so there are many areas still staying in the dark and where improvement is due I mean, even black metal is getting better with the likes of Vintersorg and Borknagar (and who could ever say that black metal could be something good after Mayhem
). There are those bands that pick something that already has been done, and add their own thing improving the genre and making a completely thing apart, those are the so called musicians
Peace mate.
