Rectifier Old vs New
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silverwulf
Ghost in the Machine
Plec
Master of Ceremonies
High gain amps doesn't sound that joyful on higher levels. For instance, if you'd want a good metal tone out of the 5150 you can not crank the power amp over 2,5.. about 2 is the most optimal.
silverwulf
Ghost in the Machine
Plec said:
I completely disagree. On my old 5150, as well as on my Dual Recto...the "sweet spot" appears to be around the 11 o'clock range, or roughly a "4" to 4.5" on the power amp.
Plec
Master of Ceremonies
Well... I don't say you're wrong 'cause it all depends on what type of tone you would want, but the thing that happens on all the high gain stuff when you crank it with pretty much preamp gain (especially so on the 5150) is that the power amp first of all can't handle the dynamics of the low end so it distorts and feels spungy and undefined. The power amp then starts to attenuate the high end making the sound even more mid rangey.
But don't be fooled when comparing this in the room since you can never compare two sounds at different apparent levels. Try recording an amp like this on two very different volumes and then listen back to them at the same apparent level in the control room. You will find that the versions recorded at lower amplitudes (maybe 15-20% of the amps capabilities) will have a much tighter low end feel larger because the high end and dynamics are more intact. I think this is right when going for larger guitar sounds, but if the production calls for something smaller and more controlled and mid rangey I might crank it a bit more.
But don't be fooled when comparing this in the room since you can never compare two sounds at different apparent levels. Try recording an amp like this on two very different volumes and then listen back to them at the same apparent level in the control room. You will find that the versions recorded at lower amplitudes (maybe 15-20% of the amps capabilities) will have a much tighter low end feel larger because the high end and dynamics are more intact. I think this is right when going for larger guitar sounds, but if the production calls for something smaller and more controlled and mid rangey I might crank it a bit more.
tgs
Elder
I also have the same experience actually, I always track at a pretty low volume. I always thought it just started to sound messy once I cranked the amp up, which would blur the guitar playing even more when more guitars were added.
silverwulf
Ghost in the Machine
You guys are honestly the first people I've ever encountered that liked the sound of a tube amp better at bedroom volumes than actually cranked up a little...
My 5150 sounds tightest at 3. Thats about 10 o' clock. Definately not bedroom levels. Its still pretty damn loud at 3.
Colin
Colin
Plec
Master of Ceremonies
silverwulf said:You guys are honestly the first people I've ever encountered that liked the sound of a tube amp better at bedroom volumes than actually cranked up a little...
HAHA! :Spin:
commandante
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Haha!
This weekend I was tracking guitars with a 5150 through a Marshal 1960. I had the preamp gain on 3 and the post gain volume of 1.5.
Im tracking vocals tonight but I'll post up the results in a day or two when it's mixed.
Volume and hi gain are over rated. I would have liked to be a little louder than what I was but living with your sister means you have to be considerate!
This weekend I was tracking guitars with a 5150 through a Marshal 1960. I had the preamp gain on 3 and the post gain volume of 1.5.
Im tracking vocals tonight but I'll post up the results in a day or two when it's mixed.
Volume and hi gain are over rated. I would have liked to be a little louder than what I was but living with your sister means you have to be considerate!
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