Releases for 2005
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IOfTheStorm
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Also please look at the link JayKeelay posted, because i dont have to write the same things twice
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IOfTheStorm
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General Zod
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IOfTheStorm said:
The fact that I'm not a fortune teller, doesn't mean I'm not allowed to have an opinion.
In skimming over your previous posts on the topic, I'd disagree with your assertion that most QR fans liked "Tribe". I've been posting in the rec.music.artists.queensryche newsgroup for years (mostly because I like the people). The prevailing opinion on "Tribe" was that it didn't suck quite as bad as "Q2K".
In my estimation, "Mindcrime" is the greatest CD of all-time. To follow that up with anything less, would just be a disappointment. Consider the following:
1 - Chris is gone. He's said he has no intention of taking part in this project. He's been replaced with Mike Stone. Do you think Mike Stone is going to be able to make up for what they've lost with Chris? If so, on what are you basing this?
2 - Whether you agree or not, it can be argued that QR has been on a steady decline for 16 years. What would possibly lead anyone to believe they will reverse 16 years of mediocrity, and release something that deserves the "Mindcrime" moniker?
3 - When was the last time QR wrote a Metal song? Geoff has come out and said he doesn't like Metal. Or am I to expect "Mindcrime II" to be a Pop/Rock CD?
4 - Geoff was a pissed off individual when he wrote "Mindcrime". He's now a Born Again Christian. What would lead you to believe that he could possibly bring the same intensity to a second effort, when it's been lacking for a decade and a half?
5 - This is a band that has continuously bilked its fans of their money. Whether it's promising they've returned to their old sound, releasing greatest hits CDs, live CDs, remasters, or my favorite, charging people to meet the band, why should anyone see this as something other than them capitalizing on the last thing they have to capitalize on?
If you want to believe "Mindcrime 2" will be a return to glory, or even something more than a complete and utter disgrace, that's obviously your right. However, it's my right to believe otherwise.
Zod
IOfTheStorm
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Anything less than the greatest cd of all time would just be a dissapoitment? WHAT?General Zod said:
Of course i dont think so. But we havent experienced his composing ambilities. And i dont think that he will compose most of the music (like Chris did). All the others will be writing the majority of the music. And i trust them as i always did.General Zod said:
16 years of mediocrity? What are you talking about? "Promised Land" is a pure QR masterpiece, in all the ways you can name an album "a QR masterpiece". I can accept someone to say that "Empire" is mediocre (i think its great), but "Promised Land? NO WAY. HITNF sucked big time, and i liked Q2k and Tribe. I dont have to compare them with the QR classics, i just like them for what they are.General Zod said:
What can be argued is the "deserves the Mindcrime moniker" thing. I already know that Mindcrime II will not be as good as the the original one, yes. It is impossible to write something that good, but they can write GREAT MUSIC. Thats all that matters to me, and if they write GREAT MUSIC, then it deserves the Mindcrime moniker
No are we seriously going to judge the album with the criteria "is it metal or not?" If it is pop/rock and it is GREAT MUSIC would that bother you?General Zod said:
Many "born again christians" are pissed off individuals too you know. Some of them more than before. He will not bring the SAME intensity thats STANDARD, but he can bring INTENSITY to his singing. Why the album has to be AS GOOD AS THE FIRST PART? Isnt it enough just to be VERY GOOD, without comparing it to the original?General Zod said:
Yes. I can see how "Promised Land" and "Rage For Order" was all that. Are you serious? The guys released a totally non-commercial album, after their biggest commercial success. They wrote THE MOST PROGRESSIVE metal (RFO0 album when the metal world wanted only catchy songs. They are ALWAYS experimenting, its just that NOW you (and i probably) dont like these experiments, as we liked their old ones.General Zod said:
They released ONE (1) greatest hits cd, while all other big metal bands have more than 3 . And ALL other metal bands had their albums remastered, why QR should stay out of this?
Yes its your right to believe that the album will suck. But you cannot judge WHY they are making it, and what led to their decision. Queensryche over the 20 year history have proven MANY TIMES, that their only care is how to please themselves as artists. As i said we liked that before, but we dont like it as much now.General Zod said:
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If Queensryche released an unrelated CD in 2005, that was half as good as "Mindcrime", it would be a huge victory for them. However, if that CD is called "Mindcrime II", than it needs to be at or near the same level as its predecessor.IOfTheStorm said:
I disagree. It had some great songs on it, but also had some rather weak ones. I'd put in squarely behind all that preceeded it, with the exception of "Empire"IOfTheStorm said:
When, in your estimation, is the last time they wrote a "great" album?IOfTheStorm said:
Yes. I don't want Pink Floyd to release a Hip Hop "The Wall II", Opeth to release "Still Life II" as a Country and Western CD or QR to release "Mindcrime II" as whatever crap genre "Tribe" fits into.IOfTheStorm said:
I don't think it has a snowball's chance in hell at even being "very good", especially not if the original "Mindcrime" is the standard by which this will be judged.IOfTheStorm said:
To me, it's obvious. If QR has all these great melodies and riffs running around in their heads, then they should just put them on disc. Why do they need to call it "Mindcrime II"? There's not an album's worth of concept left to tell, given where the story left off. The reason they're using the "Mindcrime" monikor, in my estimation, is to sell records.IOfTheStorm said:
Even if I we use "Promised Land" as a falling off point, we're still talking about a band that hasn't put out a CD, that in my opinion, wasn't complete shit in over 10 years.IOfTheStorm said:
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Nine Inch Nails (finally), Scald, Negura Bunget, Queens of the Stone Age, Manes, and Hypocrisy. I shall buy all of these, oh yes, I shall.
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and Graveland will be releasing an album in 2005! Talk about prolific. new Primordial as well. new Summoning. new Lord Wind. I guess Arghoslent's new one will be 2005 now. new Aeternus, which is suppose to harken back to the days of old.
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Hehe Zod, I had the same argument with I of the Storm, when they annouced their plans to make mindcrime II. I actually love Promised Land though. But I remember him getting philosophical on why Q2k and Tribe didnt suck; you know the your opinion means nothing, the rest of the worlds opinion means nothing kind of bullshit. Personally if it the new album doesnt suck, I'd be shocked. How can a band go from Tribe and Q2k to a good album? Like you said, if they had any ideas they would have used them sometime in the last 10 years.
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Re: the new Dissectiondid you guys hear the preview clip? I dug Storm... and Somberlain, but I'm staying far the fuck away from that.
JUDAS PRIEST. JUDAS FUCKEN PRIEST. JUDAS MOTHER FUCKING PRIEST. And Overkill, too.
Also Testament, Sadus, the German Holy Trinity, Slough Feg, Nevermore, Candlemass (if they are doing a new one), Bruce Dickinson (more "Book of Thel" plz kthxbye), and HoM.
Agreed with Ayeka on Helloween. I love Walls, Keeper I and the first four Deris albums, but Rabbit Don't Come Easy fucking SUCKED. So we'll have to see.
Hoping for newies from Deströyer 666 and Virgin Steele. Both those bands are due. Also hear that Dekapitator's putting some new shit together.
JUDAS PRIEST. JUDAS FUCKEN PRIEST. JUDAS MOTHER FUCKING PRIEST. And Overkill, too.
Also Testament, Sadus, the German Holy Trinity, Slough Feg, Nevermore, Candlemass (if they are doing a new one), Bruce Dickinson (more "Book of Thel" plz kthxbye), and HoM.
Agreed with Ayeka on Helloween. I love Walls, Keeper I and the first four Deris albums, but Rabbit Don't Come Easy fucking SUCKED. So we'll have to see.
Hoping for newies from Deströyer 666 and Virgin Steele. Both those bands are due. Also hear that Dekapitator's putting some new shit together.
