Now I want to (master ?) get it some db up without cracking.
Where should I start ?
EDIT: Master my song
www.mendelb.com/TEST.wav
Where should I start ?
EDIT: Master my song
www.mendelb.com/TEST.wav
So i finished mixing one of my songs
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ahjteam
Anssi Tenhunen
Oh god no are you serious ?
I mean my mix is really low on volume.
We all love Andy Sneap right ?
Well those mixes aren't clipping, and are on a louder volume.
I mean my mix is really low on volume.
We all love Andy Sneap right ?
Well those mixes aren't clipping, and are on a louder volume.
Black neon bob
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I have a idea Mendel, post the song and let the people on the sneap forum have a go at mastering and let them explain what they did, it's not time consuming for them really and you/we can learn a lot that way.
ahjteam
Anssi Tenhunen
So is Master of Puppets (-18dB RMS), but Death Magnetic isn't (-6dB RMS). You might not realize it now, but after 20 years, you'll thank me if you didn't crush it.
So I should only post a wav or mp3 file ? I thought you needed a whole project for mastering. Well I will export a part of the song and upload it.
ahjteam, of course i don't want to crush my mix!
But my mix is so low on volume that my ears hurt when I listen music.
Example: i listen my own song and next comes Nemesis ( Arch Enemy )
Immediatly my speakers are blowing out and my ears hurt
If someone is against the loudness war lately then it would be me.
Yes i disgust the death magnetic mix
But are andy's records also ignoring the loudness war ?
This Godless (Nevermore) sounds amazing imo, not as much clipping as Virus (Hypocrisy) or Death Magnetic.
And all of those Andy, Colin mixes seem to be on the same volume level if you ask me.
gabriel g.
Member
yeah but these engineers are pro!!!they know how to mix a song, so themselfes or the mastering engineer doesnt destroy the dynamic.
I took years for me to understand that.
When you start your project, check all your channels for clipping.
Your master should NOT be over -10dbfs. In the best case, all your channels make the master to be at -18dbs. Then you have enough headroom for a "good" mix.
When everything sounds good for you. The master fader must be under -7dbfs.
Then export the project to a wave (with the same bit and Hz)
Now start a new project import the wave. Put a Compressor, Multibandcompressor, Limiter on the master section.
Your master fader should be max. at -0.2 to -0.5 dbfs.
With the compressors, you can change the dynamics, like you want, to make your mix "louder".
-10rms is normal for metal/Hc. (But its very difficult to get this loudness with plugins)
For me -11rms to -13rms is enough.
It´s a bit lower in the volume then top class productions but my mix, still have some dynamics...
hope this helps
I took years for me to understand that.
When you start your project, check all your channels for clipping.
Your master should NOT be over -10dbfs. In the best case, all your channels make the master to be at -18dbs. Then you have enough headroom for a "good" mix.
When everything sounds good for you. The master fader must be under -7dbfs.
Then export the project to a wave (with the same bit and Hz)
Now start a new project import the wave. Put a Compressor, Multibandcompressor, Limiter on the master section.
Your master fader should be max. at -0.2 to -0.5 dbfs.
With the compressors, you can change the dynamics, like you want, to make your mix "louder".
-10rms is normal for metal/Hc. (But its very difficult to get this loudness with plugins)
For me -11rms to -13rms is enough.
It´s a bit lower in the volume then top class productions but my mix, still have some dynamics...
hope this helps
ahjteam
Anssi Tenhunen
Gomez
Member
Send it to a mastering engineer. Is always best... even if it's almost perfect, having someone with a highly trained to listen to your mix through an ultra high quality system is priceless IMO.
I do it myself when I'm producing and there's budget...
I do it myself when I'm producing and there's budget...
Melodeath
Moonbow
Here's a little 5-minute mastering job. Cool mix man, how did you record this?
http://www.lightningmp3.com/live/file.php?id=17003
http://www.lightningmp3.com/live/file.php?id=17003
Moonlight_Seeker
Member
Hey I have a stupid question.
1- Musicians who sell songs on the Internet usually sell them as mp3 and not waves.
2- I am a n00b, never finished professionally an album that went through intense printing yet, but when I rip a CD into my computer, I don't have the songs as waves, I have them as mp3s or windows media player files.
3- Since to my nooby eyes songs are distributed as mp3s, instead of crushing wave mixes to the bone, couldn't I just boost the mp3's db?
¯\(°_o)/¯
1- Musicians who sell songs on the Internet usually sell them as mp3 and not waves.
2- I am a n00b, never finished professionally an album that went through intense printing yet, but when I rip a CD into my computer, I don't have the songs as waves, I have them as mp3s or windows media player files.
3- Since to my nooby eyes songs are distributed as mp3s, instead of crushing wave mixes to the bone, couldn't I just boost the mp3's db?
¯\(°_o)/¯
Erkan
mr-walker.bandcamp
Gomez
Member
Hey I have a stupid question.
1- Musicians who sell songs on the Internet usually sell them as mp3 and not waves.
2- I am a n00b, never finished professionally an album that went through intense printing yet, but when I rip a CD into my computer, I don't have the songs as waves, I have them as mp3s or windows media player files.
3- Since to my nooby eyes songs are distributed as mp3s, instead of crushing wave mixes to the bone, couldn't I just boost the mp3's db?
1 - Yes, the should give the option (bastards), although there's the debate that most people cannot tell the difference between a 328kbps mp3 and a wav at all.
2 - you have to set up your ripping software so that you can import the wavs. In itunes, go to the advanced tab under preferences.
3 - no way. You want to work with uncompressed audio (wav/aiff) which has approx 90 percent more content (resolution) than your mp3.
Most sequencers will turn an mp3 into wav (for processing) and then export as mp3 again. In this encode-decode process, you will loose quality.
ahjteam
Anssi Tenhunen
Before/After comparison: http://www.ahjteam.com/upload/masteringtest.mp3
After @ full volume: http://www.ahjteam.com/upload/masteringtest_fullvolume.mp3
After + 3dB added with maximizer: http://www.ahjteam.com/upload/masteringtest_fullvolume_maximized.mp3
All done with free plugins (Electri-Q, gClip, Electri-Q, gMulti, BuzMaxi3, W1). The bottom end was pretty wild sounding with a subwoofer on, so I cut it down a bit. If I would've crushed it even more, it would've lost a lot of balls.
Moonlight_Seeker
Member
1- Well most people...
2- Yeah I know Itunes converts wave to mp3, but in a very low quality! Which would lead me to another question : What program converts waves to mp3 with a lot of quality?! But I guess this is off-topic.
3- Ah! But what I meant is that since songs are sold as mp3s and sound engineers work very hard to get a very loud mix without too much compression ( ideally... I guess ), why wouldn't I keep the dynamics of the song while having it at a very loud level by using some mp3 volume booster program?
Example : I have a listener's playlist where it goes from let's say Children of Bodom's Blooddrunk and then it goes to some song from The Doors. The level will be dramatically different. So there are programs that boost mp3s.
http://mp3gain.sourceforge.net/
So... let's say I am an independant musician who has no record deal and will only sell songs through the internet as mp3s. Why would I crush my mix with compressors if I can keep all the dynamics and just boost the final mp3 version that will be sold? Or will the mp3 gain compress the dynamics? And the mp3s will not go back as waves. They will go into the computers of the consumers.
And I wonder if those professional cd printing places print waves on the cd or mp3s?! And if they print waves, how come when I rip songs they aren't waves?!
And sorry for being off-topic. :Smokin:
On topic : Ahjteam, you sure know how to use those plugins!
ahjteam
Anssi Tenhunen
...Thanks, I guess its not the tools but the user, eh?
I tried to keep it as clear and dynamic as possible and retain that punch on the snare and I ended up with the RMS at -15/12dBFS, so its not quiet and its not super loud either. The trick is in low settings. No more than few dB:s of adjustments on anything.
He ahjteam,
Your final version, is it clipping or not ?
It's much louder but is it clipping technicaly way of speaking ?
Thanks btw!
Your final version, is it clipping or not ?
It's much louder but is it clipping technicaly way of speaking ?
Thanks btw!
ahjteam
Anssi Tenhunen
define "technically". If you mean digital clipping, no. If you mean using soft clipping to even out the snarehits on purpose, yes. I boosted the midrange a bit so it may seem louder compared to your mix, but it really is not, its actually quieter RMS and peakwise.
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