Angeleyes Part II said:I'm sure I'm not in the right thread again with this,but I honestly haven't got a clue were to post what on this forum,@the new pittbull Mod.I'm sorry for that..
http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=235069
So this is...death/doom?
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Angeleyes, and everyone else, seriously don't make too big a thing out of the whole new moderator thing. I'll say this once again....the main concern is that the "official" threads not get bogged down with off topic stuff. That's it. "Official" threads being those that have specific announcements or info that are posted by one of the band members or moderator about ND events, etc. We want people to respect this but at the same time we don't want people being afraid to post! Worst case scenario, if you have a question or a statement to make and aren't sure where to post it, just make a new thread for it. We won't bite your heads off! Unless people start making tons of useless threads that say nothing haha
As for "Amid It's Hallowed Mirth", you have to understand that for all practical purposes, that's a different band than what you generally know as ND. The main songwriters are long gone, other than Paul who only wrote lyrics and no music. Those songs were all written between 1992 and 1994, and the goal was to be extremely slow and depressing. I think they acheived that goal haha The next cd didn't come out until '97 (For Every Leaf That Falls EP). Three years and a complete line-up change pretty much resulted in a drastic musical change for ND. Many bands, like ourselves, found it to be rather limiting (and tiresome) to keep writing songs that were so slow and bleak all the time. We've retained much of the bleak, dark mood but without the long drawn out tempos and riffs. Needless to say, we haven't played any songs from AIHM on stage in many years. They just don't really fit into the current scheme of things with us, musically. I think AIHM is a really good album for what it is, but it's just not the kind of stuff that I personally find much interest in listening to very often. There are some fans out there who think it's the only good thing we've ever done! To each their own.
As for "Amid It's Hallowed Mirth", you have to understand that for all practical purposes, that's a different band than what you generally know as ND. The main songwriters are long gone, other than Paul who only wrote lyrics and no music. Those songs were all written between 1992 and 1994, and the goal was to be extremely slow and depressing. I think they acheived that goal haha The next cd didn't come out until '97 (For Every Leaf That Falls EP). Three years and a complete line-up change pretty much resulted in a drastic musical change for ND. Many bands, like ourselves, found it to be rather limiting (and tiresome) to keep writing songs that were so slow and bleak all the time. We've retained much of the bleak, dark mood but without the long drawn out tempos and riffs. Needless to say, we haven't played any songs from AIHM on stage in many years. They just don't really fit into the current scheme of things with us, musically. I think AIHM is a really good album for what it is, but it's just not the kind of stuff that I personally find much interest in listening to very often. There are some fans out there who think it's the only good thing we've ever done! To each their own.
@Orfanos: Thanks so much for the link..
Now Larry,first of all,I was only half kidding when I called Nd_mod a pitbull..
And believe it or not I do know how important a mod is on a forum,but yeah he scared the shit outta me,I mean the least he could have told us,if he like ND's music or whatever other music he's interested in,that would have been a nicer aproach me thinks,but maybe he isn't alowed to be nice,I dunno...
Well,as usual I have no problem with the lyrics,although I have to admit,you can barely hear what Paul ROOAAWWRR means,so I had to read it back in order to understand what each song was about,but the music is indeed soooooo slow,I don't get time to get depressed,it honestly put me to sleep,now I'm not the person who gives up so easily,and I will give it another try atleast a few times,but I honestly admit,it's so far my least favorite of ND.
Why do you think it's a real good album,I mean what makes it a good album in your opinion?
And thanks for ya comment,much apriciated(sp) again..
Now Larry,first of all,I was only half kidding when I called Nd_mod a pitbull..
And believe it or not I do know how important a mod is on a forum,but yeah he scared the shit outta me,I mean the least he could have told us,if he like ND's music or whatever other music he's interested in,that would have been a nicer aproach me thinks,but maybe he isn't alowed to be nice,I dunno...
Well,as usual I have no problem with the lyrics,although I have to admit,you can barely hear what Paul ROOAAWWRR means,so I had to read it back in order to understand what each song was about,but the music is indeed soooooo slow,I don't get time to get depressed,it honestly put me to sleep,now I'm not the person who gives up so easily,and I will give it another try atleast a few times,but I honestly admit,it's so far my least favorite of ND.
Why do you think it's a real good album,I mean what makes it a good album in your opinion?
And thanks for ya comment,much apriciated(sp) again..
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Angeleyes Part II said:@Orfanos: Thanks so much for the link..
Now Larry,first of all,I was only half kidding when I called Nd_mod a pitbull..
And believe it or not I do know how important a mod is on a forum,but yeah he scared the shit outta me,I mean the least he could have told us,if he like ND's music or whatever other music he's interested in,that would have been a nicer aproach me thinks,but maybe he isn't alowed to be nice,I dunno...
Well,as usual I have no problem with the lyrics,although I have to admit,you can barely hear what Paul ROOAAWWRR means,so I had to read it back in order to understand what each song was about,but the music is indeed soooooo slow,I don't get time to get depressed,it honestly put me to sleep,now I'm not the person who gives up so easily,and I will give it another try atleast a few times,but I honestly admit,it's so far my least favorite of ND.
Why do you think it's a real good album,I mean what makes it a good album in your opinion?
And thanks for ya comment,much apriciated(sp) again..
The moderator will never post here being friendly, or participate in conversations. We told him specifically not to make friends, it makes his job harder to do if he needs to. We just wanted someone to take care of the moderation, and keep things decent. Nothing more, nothing less. Don't worry about him, he's harmless.
About Amid, It's my least favorite too. I would have swayed you from buying it If I had known. We were a different band back then, and our goals were different. We wanted to be as slow as possible. We "were" a doom band. After that CD, we wrote a second one, and after the writing was complete, I looked at all the songs as Amid part 2, and I didn't want that for the band, so we scrapped all the songs, and restructured with new people, starting to create the sound, and band that is today. It's been a long process, but we're finally happy with what we're now doing. The new CD, "T.N.R." will really please the fans of Pale Haunt. Fans of the Knowing, not so much. hahaha
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Angeleyes: What makes AIHM a "real good album" in my eyes (or to my ears)? I think for one thing, some credit has to go to that album where it's due, and many have not given it such. First of all, many of those songs were written and conceived of very early in the death/doom movement, and many other bands have come along in the following ten years or so and basically built off of it. I'm not saying they copied ND or even necessarily were fans of what the band did, but there WERE some out there who were influenced by it at the very least to try new things. While ND wasn't the first band to use operatic female vocals in metal, back in 1992 it was a considerably more novel idea than it is today. And while Europe may have been brewing up it's impressive bunch of death/doom bands that came to be known as the "kings" of this genre, there were very very few bands or musicians here in the States who were really making any waves or even attempting to do what ND was doing in 1992. But more to the point, what I think makes "Amid..." a good record is that it's got some really heavy riffs that are memorable, the lyrics (while by today's standards might seem common and done a thousand times since by numerous artists) are well written, and even though Paul's voice was a bit deeper and more growly back then, I still think his vocals were some of the best in the genre. For people who really like the slow, deep depressing doom/death I definitely recommend the record. To someone who is hearing it new for the first time, perhaps it sounds outdated, I dunno. I heard it back in 1994, so I still hear it the same way as I did back then. For people who really like the ND they hear on "To Welcome The Fade" and "The Pale Haunt Departure", I doubt there's much on "Amid..." that they'll find much interest in.
But yknow as I've said before, that's the thing about music. No matter how strong your convictions are when professing your love, or hate, for a band or cd, you have to realise that it's not going to impact everyone else in the world in the same way as it did to you. I don't think "Amid..." is one of the greatest cds ever, but I don't think it gets the credit it deserves even especially from the crowd it was created for.
But yknow as I've said before, that's the thing about music. No matter how strong your convictions are when professing your love, or hate, for a band or cd, you have to realise that it's not going to impact everyone else in the world in the same way as it did to you. I don't think "Amid..." is one of the greatest cds ever, but I don't think it gets the credit it deserves even especially from the crowd it was created for.
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