NOVEMBERS DOOM parts with drummer
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affinityband
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i dunno mann, esoteric and evoken do blast beats pretty well in doom.
its a shame to lose a long term member in a band. cant imagine it does the friendship any good
its a shame to lose a long term member in a band. cant imagine it does the friendship any good
Time heals all wounds... Honestly, it was something we needed to do in order to move forward. People don't see the entire picture, and only get the version of the story we choose to make public. Bottom line, we all have the utmost respect for Joe, and we will miss him dearly in this band. He's been part of the ND sound for 10 years, and was dedicated to this band, more then I could have asked for. The decision was unanimous among the rest of us and was 100% based entirely on the new material. We needed more out the rhythm section then he was capable of giving us at this time in his life. I hope Joe continues with another band, he's got a lot to offer, and he loves music. Don't be surprised if you see him in the future.
We are what we are. If we write music and we feel blasting over it is right for the music, then we'll do it. That's why on one CD we can have a song like "Rain" and a few tracks later, pull off "Twilight Innocence." We have no boundaries, and moved far away from the "doom" label a long time ago. We'll always have doom laden moments, and possibly a straight up slow funeral dirge, but we're not so one sided as to feel forced into staying in one style.
If we blast, we choose to because it's what suits the music, and that would be the only reason for it.
NvmbrsDoom5
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"Do you just want to give up being a doom band entirely?"
That's a tag that was put upon us by others. Just because we have the word in our name doesn't mean we had ever planned to limit ourselves to just playing slow dirge-like music forever. Speaking for myself, I have no great allegiance to any one sub-genre, my only allegiance is to the music in my head that I want to create. While I think everyone can rest easy that we'll never put out a "Cold Lake" and just completely turn our backs on what ND is, we also don't want to become restricted to only certain kinds of beats, certain kinds of riffs, etc. Once that kind of thing happens, is when I will not want to do this anymore. What attracted me to being in ND in the first place was the fact that I could see and hear so many different kinds of influences present, they were different from most bands that were part of that whole "doom" scene. And while we play faster and more intricate at times than before, I dare say we still write some of the best somber and "doom" tinged music around when we want to.
On topic, though, I want to address a couple of things quickly here, because of questions/comments I have received from some of you guys lately in messages and such. I want to address them publicly here-
1.) We didn't hire Sasha because of his ability to play fast or do blast beats. He was brought in because he's a great guy, he's creative, and he's a talented and diverse drummer. His addition to the band will not greatly affect the music in a negative way, and suddenly take us in some strange direction. The new songs are most definitely ND through and through, trust me. There's always a few new surprises and twists ("what a twist!" LOL), but we're not changing into some brutal hardcore DM band or going prog-death or anything of that sort, so don't worry. I think you guys will be pleased with what you hear.
2.) Joe exiting the band was NOT the "hidden reason" for the U.S. tour being cancelled, as some have been thinking. The reason for the tour cancellation is exactly as it was announced, due to some serious medical issues within the band that would've made doing the tour pretty much impossible.
Parting with Joe is one of the hardest things I've had to deal with since I started playing in bands, as Joe and I are very close friends and have played together on-and-off for almost 20 years now. I plan to play with him again sometime in the future on a different kind of project, for fun, if he is interested and available to do so when the time comes. It's going to be weird and hard for me to continue on without my best buddy being there with me, I admit. But I am thankful that we've been lucky enough to get Sasha, who is a good guy and fun to be around, and he fits in well with us.
Joe's contributions to this band, musically and otherwise, very much helped this band get to where we are now, make no mistake about that. So your kind words about him and how you'll miss his drumming is appreciated and understood.
That's a tag that was put upon us by others. Just because we have the word in our name doesn't mean we had ever planned to limit ourselves to just playing slow dirge-like music forever. Speaking for myself, I have no great allegiance to any one sub-genre, my only allegiance is to the music in my head that I want to create. While I think everyone can rest easy that we'll never put out a "Cold Lake" and just completely turn our backs on what ND is, we also don't want to become restricted to only certain kinds of beats, certain kinds of riffs, etc. Once that kind of thing happens, is when I will not want to do this anymore. What attracted me to being in ND in the first place was the fact that I could see and hear so many different kinds of influences present, they were different from most bands that were part of that whole "doom" scene. And while we play faster and more intricate at times than before, I dare say we still write some of the best somber and "doom" tinged music around when we want to.
On topic, though, I want to address a couple of things quickly here, because of questions/comments I have received from some of you guys lately in messages and such. I want to address them publicly here-
1.) We didn't hire Sasha because of his ability to play fast or do blast beats. He was brought in because he's a great guy, he's creative, and he's a talented and diverse drummer. His addition to the band will not greatly affect the music in a negative way, and suddenly take us in some strange direction. The new songs are most definitely ND through and through, trust me. There's always a few new surprises and twists ("what a twist!" LOL), but we're not changing into some brutal hardcore DM band or going prog-death or anything of that sort, so don't worry. I think you guys will be pleased with what you hear.
2.) Joe exiting the band was NOT the "hidden reason" for the U.S. tour being cancelled, as some have been thinking. The reason for the tour cancellation is exactly as it was announced, due to some serious medical issues within the band that would've made doing the tour pretty much impossible.
Parting with Joe is one of the hardest things I've had to deal with since I started playing in bands, as Joe and I are very close friends and have played together on-and-off for almost 20 years now. I plan to play with him again sometime in the future on a different kind of project, for fun, if he is interested and available to do so when the time comes. It's going to be weird and hard for me to continue on without my best buddy being there with me, I admit. But I am thankful that we've been lucky enough to get Sasha, who is a good guy and fun to be around, and he fits in well with us.
Joe's contributions to this band, musically and otherwise, very much helped this band get to where we are now, make no mistake about that. So your kind words about him and how you'll miss his drumming is appreciated and understood.
beast from the east
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Whatever the details are about Joe leaving, that's between him and the band and is nobody elses business. I just wish him well and hope to see him pounding the skins again sometime! He certainly made a huge contribution to your sound.
And whatever the medical issue was/is, I hope it is improving.
Blast beats, no blast beats...it don't matter to me. I kind of enjoy them, if done in an appropriate context. Either way, I know the new material will RULE massively!!!
And whatever the medical issue was/is, I hope it is improving.
Blast beats, no blast beats...it don't matter to me. I kind of enjoy them, if done in an appropriate context. Either way, I know the new material will RULE massively!!!
I really think the whole blast beat with us was all joking around to begin with. I don't think anyone was really serious about it. Were they?
NvmbrsDoom5
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Shit, does this mean we have to ditch that one new song that sounds like Morbid Angel meets Kataklysm?!?!
LOL, I'm kidding guys.
LOL, I'm kidding guys.
beast from the east
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I think it was joking, yes. I was really just saying that I'm not opposed to them, when they fit with the music.
Jasonic
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I think the recent discussion here shows that my bringing up SOME KIND OF MONSTER wasn't really TOO far off topic.
I think lots of bands have discussions like, "Should we do this (IE - blastbeat, or guitar solo, etc)" One thought is, "well, that what people might want, so let's do it" Another is, "Well, we aren't going to do it just for the sake of doing it becuase that's what is popular in heavy music now"
I think lots of bands have discussions like, "Should we do this (IE - blastbeat, or guitar solo, etc)" One thought is, "well, that what people might want, so let's do it" Another is, "Well, we aren't going to do it just for the sake of doing it becuase that's what is popular in heavy music now"
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I just happened to stumble on this thread, and I think it's a weird subject of what a band should and shouldn't do. ND has done well with incorporating new elements into their sound, and IF they choose to use blastbeats, I suspect they'd do it tastefully and in a way that suits the music. But if they were to just dismiss the idea completely and say "no blasts allowed" (or solos, or whatever), then that's a missed opportunity that might have led to something cool. That way of operating is pretty much the opposite of being creative.
And if it's blastbeats you want to hear, I hear Sasha's other band has a few of those (hint hint).
And if it's blastbeats you want to hear, I hear Sasha's other band has a few of those (hint hint).
I've been listening to The Novella Resevoir a lot lately and Joe's drumming was better than ever on it. The new stuff must be pretty complex and if you guys all agreed to get a more technical drummer. Makes me wonder how the new stuff is shaping up, can't wait to hear it. So when are we gonna get a sample?? 
I've been listening to The Novella Resevoir a lot lately and Joe's drumming was better than ever on it. The new stuff must be pretty complex and if you guys all agreed to get a more technical drummer. Makes me wonder how the new stuff is shaping up, can't wait to hear it. So when are we gonna get a sample??
This is very hard to explain... I just don't want people to have any misconceptions. It's not just a matter of needing a different drummer because the music is more technical. There's always more to any story, that is kept private, our of respect for all parties involved.
Some of the music is more technical. Some of it isn't. I've described it here before, but now that the music is 100% written for this CD, I stand by this even more. It has the darkness from Pale Haunt, the anger from Novella, and the melody from To Welcome the Fade, mixed with some new elements, and some familiar ones. It's certainly a moody batch of songs. Lot's of back and forth with a lot of hook. It really sums up ND over the past decade.
We record in 6 weeks.
Jasonic
Doom On!
Hmmm..
How about a warm-up local gig to practice the new material in a live setting?
Jasonic
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in Nebraska
We've been through this my friend.
Move to a state that does NOT have "ska" in it!
NvmbrsDoom5
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We won't be doing any gigs for a while yet. Keep in mind we had to cancel that Jan. tour due to reasons that prevented us from playing live for a while, and that still stands. I think there's a good chance you'll see us live in the spring sometime, we'll see.
And just to add onto what Paul said earlier regarding the drum situation....don't try to read into things too much guys, I think perhaps people are making assumptions and guessing at the reasons why changes were made, thinking the new music is going to be some huge departure or technical change due to the new drummer and all, and that's really not it. Having all the new music pretty much written and demoed for the next cd at this point, I can tell you without a doubt that the music is 100% Novembers Doom.....which isn't to say that it's all predictable and samey, but that there's no mistaking that it's us. Paul said it perfectly when he stated that this new cd really sums up what ND was, is, and will be.
And just to add onto what Paul said earlier regarding the drum situation....don't try to read into things too much guys, I think perhaps people are making assumptions and guessing at the reasons why changes were made, thinking the new music is going to be some huge departure or technical change due to the new drummer and all, and that's really not it. Having all the new music pretty much written and demoed for the next cd at this point, I can tell you without a doubt that the music is 100% Novembers Doom.....which isn't to say that it's all predictable and samey, but that there's no mistaking that it's us. Paul said it perfectly when he stated that this new cd really sums up what ND was, is, and will be.
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