St. Anger

[Peti]

haha kewl pics!

yetti: post the St Wanker picture

 

[Wraithchild]

I am not going to slam anyone who likes St. Anger, but I had to turn it off halfway through the CD. As far as metal goes, I still prefer the 80's sound. I do not like nu-metal at all, but to each his/her own.

The Metallica of today and the superior Metallica of the 80's are two different bands. The last Metallica album that I really liked was "And Justice For All". When the "Black Album" was released, I felt a great disturbance in the Force , and I knew it was the beginning of the end. Clearly Metallica has sold out and, since the "Black Album", has been catering to what is "trendy" and "in" for music sales.

Lastly, I really don't appreciate Metallica saying "Our old fans can suck our d**ks". That is a very rude, ungrateful attitude to have towards the people who made them popular. Metallica has simply lost touch with what made them great. This is evident in their pompous attitude and the trendy music that they have been playing since the 90's. Their newly acquired title "MTV Icon" says it all.

I really admire bands who stay true to their music roots and play the style they want to for the love of music in spite of what the current music trend is (even if they have to tour outside the US). That is one of the many things that impresses me about Iron Maiden; they are not sell-outs and they are really appreciate their fans. Did I mention that they are also incredibly talented & gifted musicians?

[Rant On] We already know that most bands nowadays do not have vocalists who can sing, therefore they rap; also, guitar solos are becoming a thing of the past because it involves more than just knowing how to play three bar chords really fast. [Rant Off]

 

[smylex]

I went to the local Tower the other day to purchase the new Type O Negative CD the day it came out. While I was there, I noticed that St. Anger was in one of their listening stations. So, I stopped and listened.

I wish I hadn't! Holy fuckin' shit! Did that thing ever suck! This is "songwriting"? Give me a break!

 

[drumslut]

I went to the local Tower the other day to purchase the new Type O Negative CD the day it came out. While I was there, I noticed that St. Anger was in one of their listening stations. So, I stopped and listened.

I wish I hadn't! Holy fuckin' shit! Did that thing ever suck! This is "songwriting"? Give me a break!

Not to mention the headful of lice you probably got from the headphones... oh, I just remembered, your head is shaved...

Get the new Zeppelin 3-CD live set (1972 concerts from the LA Forum and LB Arena). Now THERE's a classic group of musicians in their very early 20's kickin ass! Maybe TOO MUCH lead guitar for the nu-metal freaks!

 

[Wraithchild]

Ah, but even better is the Led Zeppelin 2 DVD set that contains 5 hours of previously unreleased footage for the same price as the cds.

It contains the following:

2 DVD Box Set:

DVD 1:

Live at the Royal Albert Hall (1970)

1969 - 3 titles from Danish Television (31 min Stereo)

1969 - "Communication Breakdown" Promo - Paris (9 min Stereo)

1969 - "Dazed And Confused" - Supershow (7 min Stereo)

DVD 2:

1972 - Immigrant Song - Splodge Edit Live (4 min)

1973 - Madison Square Garden - New York (24mn) - 4 titles not included in the film "The Song Remains The Same"

1975 - Earl's Court - London 49 min - 6 titles

1979 - Knebworth - Angleterre 52 min - 7 titles

1970 - NBC interview with the band (mono)

1972 - Rock N' Roll + interviews from Australian Television (4 min Stereo)

1975 - Interview with Robert Plant - BBC Old Grey Whistle (4 min Stereo)

2 clips : "Over The Hills" and "Travelling Riverside Blues" (4 min)

 

[Wraithchild]

By the way, I just saw the St. Anger video. Anyone here see it? In it Metallica performed in front of inmates at San Quentin Prison. Throughout the video they featured various inmates and a montage of street violence interwoven in throughout the video.

I was kind of hoping that the inmates would riot and smash Metallica's instruments, but it didn't happen. The majority of popular music today (as seen on MTV) actually has little to do with music itself. It is about image, packaging, and marketing. That's what sells. A band definitely doesn't have to be musically talented to be popular.

If the Back Street Boys were not attractive to teeny bopper girls, they would have never got a contract. If rappers didn't have that so-called cool badboy pimp/gangster imagine (that so many young people want to copy), I am sure their music sales wouldn't be close to what they are now.

What happen to people enjoying music because of the superior musicianship? I find it very sad that a neo-classical/metal guitar virtuoso like Yngwie Malmsteen can't even get his new CD released in the United States. Not long ago, Malmsteen played in my city in a small club that held 200 people max, and it didn't even sell out. That is pathetic when Yngwie still sells out areas in Japan, Europe,and South America. Another fine example is Rock in Rio when Maiden played in front of 500, 000 people. I guess that just goes to show that the rest of the world has overall better taste in music than us Americans do.

 

[SciKikMobster]

If you want to hear some REAL musicianship, get the new Led Zeppelin CDs, "How the West Was Won." The Zep guys were only in their early 20s when the shows were recorded.

That's right DSlut! I got the DVD set for Fathers Day... and I can't stop watching it. I can finally put my worn VHS copy of "the Song Remains the Same" to rest.

I guess I'm one of the few that actually like "St. Anger". I like the songs, lyrics, melodies, James' Voice, and the guitar tones. I'm not crazy about the snare sound. I usually don't like it when releases have the same snare sound through out the whole record. It would have been cool on one or two songs. I give them credit for making a record that doesn't sounds like anything they've done before or anything anyone else has done.

Metallica are damned if the do and damned if the don't! They made the the mistake of becoming rich and famous.

I'm happy that there is a metal record in the top 10! That is a good thing for all of us... LATE!

 

[drumslut]

I don't have a DVD player but I've seen the DVDs. Bonham is absolutely incredible!

 

[Wraithchild]

I'm very glad to find many Led Zeppelin fans here! Zeppelin was my former favorite band of all time until Iron Maiden dethroned them.

And like SciKikMobster, I feel it is so nice to have new footage of Led Zeppelin (other than rewatching The Song Remains the Same for the 50th time).

 

[drumslut]

Great comments on image v. musicianship. Lots of people talk shit about Yngwie but if you listen to his last 3 CDs (I hated the Joe Lynn Turner material) there is some great shredding AND MELODY in the vocals. Not to mention killer drumming! =)

Yes it's not popular music but as we all know, popular does not necessarily mean talented in the musical sense.

 

[Wraithchild]

Drumslut, likewise, Odyssey with Turner was my least favorite.

Anyone who enjoys classical guitar music in the vein of Bach & Beethoven has got to own Yngwie's Concerto Suite For Electric Guitar. This CD contains all original baroque instrumental compositions by Yngwie, and it is simply amazing! It is by far his best work since his first three solo albums.

http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=1021946&cart=149550390&style=music

The Live in Japan DVD, by the same name, is also worth buying; however, you can find a region one import on Ebay for a cheaper than what CD Universe is asking. Glad to see another Yngwie Malmsteen fan in this forum!

 

[Brucie Chickinson]

Read the latest issue of Guitar World w/ Metallica on the cover...the interview is embarassing. They and Bob Rock go overboard trying to drive the point home that they just threw it together almost as if they were trying to make it as cheesy sounding as possible because they think that's what the kids want these days. Kirk H. said that he tried to do everthing the opposite of what he has done in the past, new gear, different gear every day, no palm muting (OUCH! THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE FAMOUS FOR) and letting things ring rather than nice, beefy stacatto rythms. I still have only heard the tv show video...and haven't been able to bring myself to listen to the CD yet. I've been putting it off to delay the horror. At one point in the article, Bob Rock says that they needed to whip up some lyrics so he passes out sheets of paper and told each member to just jot down what came to mind and within five minutes they just took those lyrics and slapped them onto a vocal line. Eeeeek. Compare that to a King Diamond interview where they take care of every painstaking detail in the studio and that's why KD's solo albums sound soooo killer.

Anyway, it killed me that Bob Rock put only TWO drum mics on the drums and expected the bass cabinet to be picked up thru there for a "raw sound" because he quote--DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO MIC THE DRUM KIT PROPERLY.

YOUCH!!! Didn't have TIME???????

Holy Guacamole...My dead cat could have put in more effort into the album.

It's just sad that the only way Metallica thought this record would be commercially viable was to try to copy a raw "System of a Down" type sound not realizing what makes System so great is the writing...the music has to come from within you and cannot be forced. They would have been better off doing a thrash album and having it be semi-successful than to create art that is not from their heart.

I'm wondering what the "kids" think...is this album getting any airplay on the KROQ alternative type radio stations?

My 2 cents...what do I know....maybe they will do that NEXT after the critical reviews.

 

[Wraithchild]

and haven't been able to bring myself to listen to the CD yet. I've been putting it off to delay the horror.

Jen, judging from what music you have said you enjoy in these forums, it will be a horrific listening experience for you. When I first heard St. Anger, I told myself that I was not going to buy the CD. Then I saw it on sale at Best Buy for only $9.99, and decided to give Metallica the benefit of the doubt hoping that the entire album did not sound like St. Anger... I was wrong, and am buying no more Metallica unless it is older material like the Live S**t Binge & Purge CD/DVD reissue.

St. Anger does seem to be getting a lot of airplay on radio and MTV, and I bet young people into nu-metal are eating it up. As I said before, many young people seem to be more into to the image more than the quality of the music. So, St. Anger may do quite well.

Also, in my opinion, Metallica was never that original to begin with. They were very heavily influenced by bands like Angelwitch, Diamondhead, and Mercyful Fate. Heh, "Kill Them All" should be re-titled "Mustain Them All" since David was mostly responsible for the sound of their first album.

The perfection that goes into recording a King Diamond album is a great example! "Them" is in my top ten metal albums of all time. I would love to see him in concert! Andy LaRoque is also one of my favorite guitarists.

Again, no offense to those who enjoy Metallica's latest effort. It is just sad for some of us because there is no trace of the Metallica who recorded "Ride the Lightning" and "Master of Puppets". Maybe the original Metallica was abducted by aliens and cloned?

 

[drumslut]

Hey, Wraithchild, since you're in Arizona you should go to The Rock in Tucson on Saturday night (June 28)to check out Creeping Death - tribute to the OLD pre-black album Metallica, and featuring Jen's husband Bill. They play the fastest, heaviest Metallica! You won't be disappointed!

 

[cycosuicide]

Hey, Wraithchild, since you're in Arizona you should go to The Rock in Tucson on Saturday night (June 28)to check out Creeping Death - tribute to the OLD pre-black album Metallica, and featuring Jen's husband Bill. They play the fastest, heaviest Metallica! You won't be disappointed!

Bleacchhhh....Face it. Metallica sux and so does "St. Anus"

 

[cycosuicide]

Bleacchhhh....Face it. Metallica sux and so does "St. Anus"

And another thing.....LOL.....I think Creeping Death's popularity just went up even more with the release of St. Anus.

Drumslut & Jen know.....if you want to see and hear what Metallica should be like.....go check out Creeping Death. They never disappoint....then go check out Hangar 18 to hear Megadeth! *Plug plug*

 

[drumslut]

Bleacchhhh....Face it. Metallica sux and so does "St. Anus"

Hey, you stole the name of my new band...ST. ANUS!!!!

 

[smylex]

I'm wondering what the "kids" think...is this album getting any airplay on the KROQ alternative type radio stations?

Of course it's getting airplay on stations like K-FUCK. The "Big 5" have the financial resources to be able to pay the program directors large sums of money (indirectly of course so it can't be called "Payola") to push this overpriced piece of plastic on the consumer public.

As to the sound, I've recorded better sounding drums on my 4-track cassette recorder with 2 mics and gotten a better sound out of it than what's on this album. Hell, I got the bonus disc that came with SOAD's Toxicity CD and even they spent time enough to make sure that everything was properly miced up.

The only thing that I can say is that somebody SERIOUSLY needs to step in and do an intervention with Bob Rock. There's some obvious drug use going on here and his brain is completely gone.

 

[Wraithchild]

Hey, Wraithchild, since you're in Arizona you should go to The Rock in Tucson on Saturday night (June 28)to check out Creeping Death - tribute to the OLD pre-black album Metallica, and featuring Jen's husband Bill.

Drumslut, I would love to go, but I am forever doomed to work two twelve hour shifts on Sat & Sun night which are almost impossible to get covered if I call off. Does Creeping Death have a website?

then go check out Hangar 18 to hear Megadeth!

Speaking of Megadeth, is Dave Mustain recovering at all? Last I heard is that he may never be able to play guitar again.

 

[Melisan]

Someone "remixed" the MP3s that he ripped from the album tried to clean up the crappy sound and even add guitar solos. They actually sound good. Pathetic that someone screwing around on a PC could make that crap sound better. The links go down about as fast as they go up. See if they are on Kazaa. They have the word "Remix" after each title.