Ted Nugent talks about our eroding rights

Cool man, so is this your only retort to my reply?

If l thought it warranted anymore...you would have got it...believe me. ;)

Yeah I mean I guess I should have respect for people who support racists.

It's clear you respect & support Obama. And judging by his latest gaffe on his professor friend & the police, plus his association with his "mentor" Rev. Wright...it's obvious he's racist. He let his mask slip.
 
The difference is I never said that everything Obama says/supports should be taken as gospel and the end all be all. I think Rev Wright is an idiot as well nor did I ever think Obama was perfect/humanity's savior when I voted for him (in fact, I voted for him disagreeing with him on a good few issues), but YOU GUYS have spent 2 pages saying how these bigoted entertainers are truthful even going as far to say that they should run for President. Uh oh, not the reply you were expecting, but then again I didn't expect logic and reason to be your forte broseph. By the way cute cop out. I'll take it as a victory on my part. I just won 2 internetz. <333333

BTW how is that a gaffe? What the police did in the Gates situation was ABSOLUTELY RETARDED. And even if you disagree, we should be civilized enough as human beings to respect people's 1st amendment right to their opinion. To call it a gaffe, just because it was an opinion you disagree with and not a well-oiled appealing response like "well the issue is complicated, peace yo!" is pretty disturbing.

One more factoid about myself: even though I voted for Gore and didn't like Bush, I gave Bush the benefit of the doubt for 2-3 years until his folleys became quite obvious. But I'd say my objectiveness lasted way longer than that of you guys who were probably criticizing Obama a month (or even 6 months) into his term.

Edit: wait, did you call Rev Wright a racist or Obama a racist? If you actually think Obama is a racist then you need to in for a catscan dude. He had a white mom, has a predominately white cabinet, owes his campaign success to 2 white guys, and has NEVER made a single generalization of a single group of people, whereas theses other guys did. But yeah I don't know why I keep going. You obviously really hate logic.

Find me something where Obama (and OBAMA, not Rev Wright) said something akin to "jews need to be perfected" (Coulter) and I'll repeal my statements.
 
If l thought it warranted anymore...you would have got it...believe me. ;)

Calling it as I see it:

Ascension: Liberals are silly stupid little people, and I have all the answers.

AeonicSlumber: Clearly you're incorrect. Here are all of my points to back it up in a well thought out clearly outlined way.

Ascension: LOL Liberals.

It's clear you respect & support Obama. And judging by his latest gaffe on his professor friend & the police, plus his association with his "mentor" Rev. Wright...it's obvious he's racist. He let his mask slip.

Glenn Beck? Is that you? Or are you just one of his Drones?

BTW how is that a gaffe? What the police did in the Gates situation was ABSOLUTELY RETARDED.

I have to call you on this. From my understanding, once the police officer found out Gates lived there, he turned to leave, and Gates persued him continuing to verbally assult him. Obama should probably not have commented, especially after saying "I don't have the facts." Saying that and launching into a tirade about how the police acted "stupidly" was ... well, lets face it, pretty dumb.
 
I have to call you on this. From my understanding, once the police officer found out Gates lived there, he turned to leave, and Gates persued him continuing to verbally assult him. Obama should probably not have commented, especially after saying "I don't have the facts." Saying that and launching into a tirade about how the police acted "stupidly" was ... well, lets face it, pretty dumb.

From my understanding, Gates proved to the officer that it was his house and made a "yo mama" joke. That's not grounds for arrest unless if it was in a public place which it wasn't. The comments were made in his house. And as I said, Obama could have said something like "I don't have the facts" but he expressed his opinion. Is that really wrong? It might not have been a politically great move, but why do we care so much as a society?

Also I think it's equally sad that we have to kiss policemen's asses for everything, even if we don't agree. That's bullshit, policemen aren't perfect. They're human, and if I had just gotten back from China and was trying to get into my house when a police officer, with all my luggage and proof of ownership, thought I was trying to break in, I'd be pissed too. If you want to talk gaffes, we can make fun of Joe Biden all we want but I really don't think Obama deserves criticism for that comment, and to think that comment was racist (Ascension) is even more retarded. Talk about not understanding words, haha.
 
Fixed that for you. It was Bush saying "Hey, loan these people money! So what if they're broke and only make 23k a year after taxes, LOAN THEM $500,000 WITH NO COLLATERAL! IT'LL BE FUN!

And thus the downward spiral of greed was started, and it came back to haunt the banks that took the bait, and then Obama said "Wait, WTF, it's not working! Quick, throw money at the problem!" ... and now the Dow has gone up 2000 points since he's been in office.

Wait what?

Actually no. It was the Clinton administration that relaxed the regulations on loans. Sorry.
 
yadda-yadda-yadda. Christian that was the perfect way to correct something, not like AS who calls people idoits or retarded or to say someone's comment is retarded.

Okay, 40 days till Progpower and some of the best music in the world.

This is my last post in this thread.
 
And as I said, Obama could have said something like "I don't have the facts" but he expressed his opinion. Is that really wrong? It might not have been a politically great move, but why do we care so much as a society?

Well, probably because he's in charge of ... EVERYTHING? :P

Also I think it's equally sad that we have to kiss policemen's asses for everything, even if we don't agree. That's bullshit, policemen aren't perfect.

I agree, and when cops are in the wrong, I don't particularly like that they hide behind a blue wall of silence. However, I sincerely respect the job they do, after all, I'm certainly not man enough to do it.

I really don't think Obama deserves criticism for that comment, and to think that comment was racist (Ascension) is even more retarded. Talk about not understanding words, haha.

I think he should have shut his mouth after he said "I don't have the facts." But he went on to say something stupid. Fine. I certainly don't think it deserves the face time everyone is giving it.
 
AeonicSlumber: Clearly you're incorrect. Here are all of my points to back it up in a well thought out clearly outlined way.

Then later you call him on one of his "points that is backed up in a well thought out clearly outlined way". Make up your mind. :lol:


Glenn Beck? Is that you? Or are you just one of his Drones?

You'll have to help me here. Is this the guy that gets mentioned on O'reilly...the few times that l've actually paid attention to that show?


It might not have been a politically great move, but why do we care so much as a society?

We care because it's the leader of our country debasing a law enforcement agency...you know the people that enter into unknown situations, putting their lives on the line to serve and protect...just like the situation being discussed. And, he associated the situation to volatile subject matter when it clearly had nothing to do with it. Like was said...he even admitted he didn't know the whole deal. If you don't have the information necessary to make a qualified comment...STFU. We expect an elevated behavior from him. He failed.

Also I think it's equally sad that we have to kiss policemen's asses for everything, even if we don't agree. That's bullshit, policemen aren't perfect. They're human, and if I had just gotten back from China and was trying to get into my house when a police officer, with all my luggage and proof of ownership, thought I was trying to break in, I'd be pissed too.

It's clear that you don't have an understanding of what transpired. Or...you do but still want to slant it & side with your messiah. Pick one.

Talk about not understanding words, haha.

Believe me, l understand. Just as Officer Crowley's fellow officers & millions of other Americans understand. You seem to be missing it.
 
I HATE YOU AND WILL BOO YOU GUYS OFF STAGE!

lol. :P

I think it was pretty much established that both parties are to blame for the mess. And if not, then such is my decree.

LMAO!!!! Thats ok. Ill send Stevie D after you and hell stick one of his stinky socks in your BOOer. :D

Hey, unless you are Dave Mustaine, dont mix your metal and your politics, I always say. :P
 
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We care because it's the leader of our country debasing a law enforcement agency...you know the people that enter into unknown situations, putting their lives on the line to serve and protect...just like the situation being discussed. And, he associated the situation to volatile subject matter when it clearly had nothing to do with it. Like was said...he even admitted he didn't know the whole deal. If you don't have the information necessary to make a qualified comment...STFU. We expect an elevated behavior from him. He failed.

We must all kiss the collective ass of law enforcement agencies and since the ones that do their jobs put their lives on the line to serve and protect, every policeman as a whole is right no matter what. Obama made an opinion that I disagree with. It might even be an unfounded uneducated opinion, but still an opinion nonetheless. He may not have acted on it or caused any harm to the American people whatsoever, but I disagree so therefore I take offense. I think I just summed up your logic pretty nicely.


Then later you call him on one of his "points that is backed up in a well thought out clearly outlined way". Make up your mind. :lol:

Not only do you lack a concept of logic and reason but context as well? Why do you even bother posting?



It's clear that you don't have an understanding of what transpired. Or...you do but still want to slant it & side with your messiah. Pick one.

I explained my understanding of what happened. If I'm wrong please correct me. Unlike you if you can substantiate your claims and back your word against mine (which I've yet to really see you do) I'll take responsibility for being wrong. I've seen plenty of comments from political contributors left and right, as well as police officers saying that it was a false arrest. Either way, it doesn't make Obama racist and you still lose for making stupid comments. Yay.


Believe me, l understand. Just as Officer Crowley's fellow officers & millions of other Americans understand. You seem to be missing it.

Right, because every police officer is white. I'm not missing anything, you're just making stupid illogical generalizations. Care to make any more? I also love your hesitative tone in this comment. It's as if to say "I'm going to be a huge gigantic douchebag and call Obama a racist, but since I might not be 100% that he really is one, I'm going to present my comment in a vague and condescending way."

not like AS who calls people idoits or retarded or to say someone's comment is retarded.

This is now the SECOND time you've misread my post and I'm gonna call you out on it. I never called a SINGLE poster an idiot, I think people are dumb to support someone that calls the President "Barrack the magic negro" (Rush Limbaugh) because while I respect their right to say those things, I think it's disgusting for anyone to support that kind of talk. I definitely called people like Glenn "Obama has a deep-seeded hatred for white people... I'm not saying Obama dislikes white people (75 seconds later)" Beck an idiot, because they are idiots and you have to be high off your ass to think otherwise (by the way, did you n00bs know that Glenn Beck used to be one of those 9/11 truthers thinking 9/11 was possibly an inside job? Bet you didn't know that before you began praising his every word, which is typical... taking in this crapola as gospel without even doing any research). And who exactly did I call "retarded?"

Anyways keep furthering loudmouthed bigotry and then trying to reconcile it. It only makes you look more foolish.

Not a single poster has actually responded with anything other than "hrmm name calling liberal over here guys," which speaks volumes.
 
Well, probably because he's in charge of ... EVERYTHING? :P

If Obama somehow acted on his opinion preemptively (like uhhh GOING TO WAR WITHOUT ALL THE FACTS?!?!?!?!?!), I'd be right there saying it was dumb on Obama's part. It's just his opinion man, it's harmless.



I agree, and when cops are in the wrong, I don't particularly like that they hide behind a blue wall of silence. However, I sincerely respect the job they do, after all, I'm certainly not man enough to do it.

It's pretty gross, the police will cover eachother up so that they can never be proven guilty if they commit a crime and we are supposed to take it in the rear when we disagree with them. I applaud the work that the good guys do, but as I said, these are human beings too.
 
I don't know you, but yes, if you actually think that Hannity, Coulter, and Limbaugh are truthful then you have to be dumb

Okay you didn't use the word idiot, but you did call at least one person dumb more than once, end of story
 
Right, because every police officer is white.

In Massachusetts, meanwhile, a black sergeant who was with Crowley at Gates' home said he's been maligned as an "Uncle Tom" for supporting the actions of his white colleague, according to an e-mail that CNN said it received from the sergeant.
The officer, Leon Lashley, said he "spoke the truth" about the arrest, and he said Gates should consider whether he "may have caused grave and potentially irreparable harm to the struggle for racial harmony."

http://news.aol.com/article/gates-a.../gates-and-crowley-meet-at-white-house/595506



I think people are dumb to support someone that calls the President "Barrack the magic negro"

A left wing writer...somebody that's on your messiah's side... for LA Times coined this term originally...not Rush.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-ehrenstein19mar19,0,5335087.story?coll=la-opinion-center


l realize now that l'm having a debate with a misinformed, irrational, illogical leftist. With that realization...


Consummatum est
 
You need to be on Uncle Ted's reality show......
:flame:

Then I can personally tell him to his face that he's an idiot draft-dodging pedophile piece of shit? I wonder if all the underage girls he statutory raped called him "Uncle Ted."

BTW nice Zappa avatar. Dude was the man!

A left wing writer...somebody that's on your messiah's side... for LA Times coined this term originally...not Rush.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-ehrenstein19mar19,0,5335087.story?coll=la-opinion-center


l realize now that l'm having a debate with a misinformed, irrational, illogical leftist. With that realization...

He played it on his show and then called him an "angry negro" yesterday. If it was in jest or out of satire, you'll have to excuse me, it's Rush's MO to sound like a bigot.

Also when did I say he was my messiah? I even said pretty explicitly that I disagree with him on MANY issues. In fact, one of my main arguments against you (proving you wrong once again) was that I never said that Obama was perfect or take everything he says as gospel. How illiterate can you possibly be? The quote above doesn't make sense at all. No shit there are black police offers... can you not detect sarcasm? There's not a single thing that I said thusfar that was irrational or illogical, and I'm fairly certain everything I've said so far was informed. However the difference between you and me is that I like to be educated and if you could actually disprove me with a good enough reasoning I will take responsibility for being wrong, which is something you and your radical party is incapable of. Just face it, you are incompetent. Learn to read, take some Poli Sci and logic classes, and get back to me.

Anyways now I REALLY am done here. This is getting nowhere.
 
l realize now that l'm having a debate with a misinformed, irrational, illogical leftist. With that realization...

Pot: Meet Kettle.

: I AM AN AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE SHITHEEL (not my words, copied from the article.) (IN BEFORE ASCENSION SAYS I'M NAME CALLING!!)

this morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US department of energy.
I then took a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water utility.
After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels to see what the national weather service of the national oceanographic and atmospheric administration determined the weather was going to be like using satellites designed, built, and launched by the national aeronautics and space administration. I watched this while eating my breakfast of US department of agriculture inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the food and drug administration.

At the appropriate time as regulated by the US congress and kept accurate by the national institute of standards and technology and the US naval observatory, I get into my national highway traffic safety administration approved automobile and set out to work on the roads build by the local, state, and federal departments of transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the environmental protection agency, using legal tender issed by the federal reserve bank. On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the US postal service and drop the kids off at the public school.

After spending another day not being maimed or killed at work thanks to the workplace regulations imposed by the department of labor and the occupational safety and health administration, enjoying another two meals which again do not kill me because of the USDA, I drive my NHTSA car back home on the DOT roads, to ny house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and fire marshal's inspection, and which has not been plundered of all it's valuables thanks to the local police department.

I then log on to the internet which was developed by the defense advanced research projects administration and post on freerepublic.com and fox news forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the government can't do anything right.
 
Pot: Meet Kettle.

: I AM AN AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE SHITHEEL (not my words, copied from the article.) (IN BEFORE ASCENSION SAYS I'M NAME CALLING!!)

this morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US department of energy.
I then took a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water utility.
After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels to see what the national weather service of the national oceanographic and atmospheric administration determined the weather was going to be like using satellites designed, built, and launched by the national aeronautics and space administration. I watched this while eating my breakfast of US department of agriculture inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the food and drug administration.

At the appropriate time as regulated by the US congress and kept accurate by the national institute of standards and technology and the US naval observatory, I get into my national highway traffic safety administration approved automobile and set out to work on the roads build by the local, state, and federal departments of transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the environmental protection agency, using legal tender issed by the federal reserve bank. On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the US postal service and drop the kids off at the public school.

After spending another day not being maimed or killed at work thanks to the workplace regulations imposed by the department of labor and the occupational safety and health administration, enjoying another two meals which again do not kill me because of the USDA, I drive my NHTSA car back home on the DOT roads, to ny house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and fire marshal's inspection, and which has not been plundered of all it's valuables thanks to the local police department.

I then log on to the internet which was developed by the defense advanced research projects administration and post on freerepublic.com and fox news forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the government can't do anything right.

That's a pretty funny post. The counters are pretty simple, but I won't go through them all. For example, USDA.....How many times have we had recalls because tainted food has been distributed to the public, people have gotten sick and sometimes died. Well, it didn't happen to the writer of the article, so it wasn't important.

Another example would be the FDA and prescriptions. Tell me again why people go to Canada to get medication?

The government does these things and more. Do they do them well? Sometimes. Sometimes not. Do they make good decisions? Sometimes. Sometimes not. Do the fuck shit up? Same answer. Do they make things complicated and add a ton of red tape as well as administrative costs? Absolutley. Every single time.

So why am I afraid of government run socialized medicine? Because it will be a paperwork nightmare, with extremely high administrative costs, with the potential of our government fucking it up royally. Sure, they might get it right, but I don't want to take the chance that they don't with anybody's health and life. It won't decrease costs, we just won't be paying a monthly premium or having it deducted from our paychecks. Instead, it will cost a hell of a lot more (since they're not doing anything to reduce the cost of the healthcare from the providers), but we'll just be paying for it once every April 15.

Why don't they do something about the COST of healthcare in this country? Fix the damn tort laws!
 
So why am I afraid of government run socialized medicine? Because it will be a paperwork nightmare, with extremely high administrative costs, with the potential of our government fucking it up royally

How true, but as far as the healtcare portion goes, if it is run like the Armed Forces Medical program, it will provide a very high level of health-care, and this is from someone how has used this healtcare for almost 4o years.