The 5 magnificent delusions regarding musical elitism

Sadguru

In my dream...
Jan 11, 2004
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1) There are superior and inferior music. Hence, 2) enjoying superior music makes me a superior being. 3) The more knowledgable I am about music, the more I am able to make a distinction between superior and inferior music. 4) I need someone to tell me the good from the bad because my knowledge is limited. Therefore, 5) people with a fair amount of accumulated musical knowledge can guide me to the path superiority.

Like you don't already know all this...
That is all.
 
that you'd make a completely incorrect post like this simply because you're fed up with being shat on for your musical taste. cry more.
 
all_sins_undone said:
that you'd make a completely incorrect post like this simply because you're fed up with being shat on for your musical taste. cry more.
How is it completely incorrect? What makes you say such is my motive for posting this thread?
 
He's a troll, don't pay attention to him, that's what he likes because he never had any friends in high school and his daddy raped him when he was young.
 
Opethian666 said:
He's a troll, don't pay attention to him, that's what he likes because he never had any friends in high school and his daddy raped him when he was young.
i don't think i've heard anything more generic in my life. you're a bore.
 
I know but I'm not really serious about all of this + I'm very lazy so I'm sorry I should have come up with something more offending and original. But hey can't you just ask NFU he has witty remarks for every occasion.
 
That's exactly it, you can't rate music itself as better or worse, you can only rate individual characteristics of music as better or worse, and even that is subjective. But anyway, who cares?
 
Opethian666 said:
That's exactly it, you can't rate music itself as better or worse, you can only rate individual characteristics of music as better or worse, and even that is subjective. But anyway, who cares?
Not enough people so it seems...

Your sig. reminds me how much I miss the Immortal photoshop thread. :lol:
 
lmao... why would sadguru join a forum where people voice their opinions if he's pretty much discarding opinions because they're subjective? sounds like a dumbass to me.
 
all_sins_undone said:
lmao... why would sadguru join a forum where people voice their opinions if he's pretty much discarding opinions because they're subjective? sounds like a dumbass to me.
I am not talking of opinions, but opinions mistaken as objective facts.
 
from http://www.unconservatory.org/articles/goodmusic.html

1. It the piece technically well executed? Regardless of the style, the performance - whether improvised, derived from notation, or electroacoustically produced - should be free of extraneous notes, sounds, effects, nuances of any kind that do not contribute to communication of the musical ideas.

2. Does it exploit a variety of elements of music, i.e. rhythm, harmony, melody, texture/timbre? Although a quality piece of music need not have all elements equally represented (in fact, many if not most fine works do not), a piece that relies solely on any one element is likely to be less than fulfilling.

3. Are the elements of the work highly integrated so that each supports the other’s function? Melody, for example, cannot exist without at least some degree of rhythm; rhythm, however, can exist without melody, as can harmony without either rhythm or melody. But it seems that most truly satisfying music exploits the elements in ways that cause the product of them to be greater that the sum of the elements, disparately.

4. Does the piece appeal on a variety of levels – intellectual, emotional, spiritual? A piece can be strong enough in any one of these areas to justify being called good, but the best music somehow seems to appeal on many levels.

5. After having been listened to many times, does the piece still have appeal, appeal that is based on some new revelations rather than solely on comfortable familiarity? Complexity in and of itself is not especially valuable, but exceptional music seems to have many facets, and holds up well and continues to interest even after many listenings.

6. Is there a good balance between familiarity and variety, appropriate for the length of the piece? Clearly, very extended pieces will need to introduce more variety than very short ones; likewise the task of maintaining coherence within greater diversity is more difficult and expected in longer pieces.