The 5 magnificent delusions regarding musical elitism

[Prognostic]

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[i aint play this]

I can't really think of any sound that couldn't be successfully encorporated into a a musical composition...

Yeah, only people like All sins undone thinks differently.

 

[all_sins_undone]

Haha, i agree with whatever the fuck i think that makes sense. I don't really feel like explaining myself to you, but here i go:your examples were pretty bad; ''strips of velcro being torn apart''...Tom Waits sings like a barking frog and the music is still damn incredible, is the sound of a ''barking frog'' pleasant? no...but when done in such a creative and emotional way like Waits does, it sounds great...the same goes for the dissonant guitars in the middle of some Sonic Youth songs...those noises, without being in the context of a song, would sound like shit, it would be unbearable...get it? i think it is not a question of ''unbearable sounds'' that makes the music shit, it is a question of lack of songwriting-skills\musical talent. Period.

i challenge you to use "velcro tearing" and "nails running down a blackboard" "creatively" and tastefully in a song. period. speaking of bad examples... Tom Waits doesn't sound like a barking frog, and i enjoy his music. however, we BOTH don't enjoy nails running down a chalkboard. Period.

 

[all_sins_undone]

I can't really think of any sound that couldn't be successfully encorporated into a a musical composition...

think harder.

 

[daz436]

yeh i cant imagine the sound of a dog being raped would go well in any song

 

[all_sins_undone]

yeh i cant imagine the sound of a dog being raped would go well in any song

period.

 

[Braighs]

Homework:
Listen to
Varese - Poeme electronique
and
Crumb - Black Angels
then form your opinion.
I'd help you out, but "no piracy"

 

[dishcloth]

think harder.

What should I think about? You are telling me there are sounds that no one could possibly use in a musical composition? Scratching a chalkboard could be used easily. Hell, Toshimaru Nakamura used a mixing desk an instrument manipulating feedback. The wonderful thing about music is that it gives people a means of expressing themselves in a limitless amount of ways. Are you now telling me there are limits? You should be the one thinking...

 

[Braighs]

yeh i cant imagine the sound of a dog being raped would go well in any song

think harder
edit: Agalloch - Hallways of Enchanted Ebony

 

[daz436]

think harder
edit: Agalloch - Hallways of Enchanted Ebony

lmao

 

[all_sins_undone]

What should I think about? You are telling me there are sounds that no one could possibly use in a musical composition? Scratching a chalkboard could be used easily. Hell, Toshimaru Nakamura used a mixing desk an instrument manipulating feedback. The wonderful thing about music is that it gives people a means of expressing themselves in a limitless amount of ways. Are you now telling me there are limits? You should be the one thinking...

omfg you're a fruitcake

 

[Sadguru]

yeh i cant imagine the sound of a dog being raped would go well in any song

It would be on the next Scott Walker album and people would scream genius.

 

[i aint play this]

i challenge you to use "velcro tearing" and "nails running down a blackboard" "creatively" and tastefully in a song. period. speaking of bad examples... Tom Waits doesn't sound like a barking frog, and i enjoy his music. however, we BOTH don't enjoy nails running down a chalkboard. Period.

Well...Tom is well known as a frog voiced man, if you don't think so you should listen to ''Gun Street Girl'' and then tell me what you think.
I said your ''Vecro tearing'' nonsense was a bad example because you made it sound more important to making bad music than bad songwriting itself...and nails running a blackboard? have you heard the beginning of ''wild flower souls'' by sonic youth or that ''guitar scratch'' in middle of Buckley's ''so real'', the sounds are as bad as your examples...but does it affect the quality of songs? no, it just adds tension and feeling, cause both artists knows how to use an unconventional sound in the right context.

 

[dishcloth]

omfg you're a fruitcake

Your simple minded. Calling me a fruitcake stuck like water on a ducks arse. You think you can tell everyone what music is better than what? And what sounds we can't use to make music? Who the hell are you?

 

[Kenneth R.]

1) There are superior and inferior music. Hence, 2) enjoying superior music makes me a superior being. 3) The more knowledgable I am about music, the more I am able to make a distinction between superior and inferior music. 4) I need someone to tell me the good from the bad because my knowledge is limited. Therefore, 5) people with a fair amount of accumulated musical knowledge can guide me to the path superiority.

Like you don't already know all this...
That is all.

Yeah except #1 is wrong. Oh wait, did that create a landslide of erks?

 

[SextoyAddiction]

sadguru = possibly on par with metal wrath in terms of sheer stupidity

And by stupidity you mean pure genuis!

 

[all_sins_undone]

what is your point exactly? i didn't say that having one "guitar scratch" would ruin a song... you have much to learn when it comes to comprehending a text.

 

[dishcloth]

But by adding one guitar scratch, isn't that adding it to the musical composition?

 

[i aint play this]

what is your point exactly? i didn't say that having one "guitar scratch" would ruin a song... you have much to learn when it comes to comprehending a text.

Nah, you got it...it was an analogy ffs, i was saying that the ''guitar scratch'' and the beginning of the Sonic Youth song are noises that are as ''unbearable/weird'' as your examples. And btw YOU are the one who's in need to work out on comprehending a text, don't come to me with this kind of bullshit.

 

[all_sins_undone]

listen dumbass. im saying that the sound of a scratch is NOT pleasant universally. this has nothing to do w/ musical context or a scratches "meaningful placement in a song to create tension"... the actual noise is unpleasant. this was brought up to make a point to sadguru, at which point you completely misunderstood it and began making a fool of yourself as always. period.