The -core thread

[anonymousnick2001]

Brutal Truth- Need to Control

Interesting stuff, I'll say.

And stop relating everything to thrash and saying things need thrash riffs to be good not everyone likes thrash or wants to hear thrash in their metalcore thanks.

Even though I like thrash, the words "thrash riffs" come up way too often for some of you when discussing other genres of music, making it look like you judge a band by how many lightspeed riffs they have, or something, which sounds totally dumb.

Is that what I did? I was just agreeing with Pyrus that many oldskool HXC bands use oodles of thrashy riffs. Listen to Urban Discipline or Set It Off and argue that, man.

I do agree that music does not have to have thrash riffs to be good. But most of my favorite metal happens to have them.

Between The Buried and Me can run circles around most contemporary Metal acts. That's not my opinion...Musical theory wise, it's fact.

Composition-wise? They're more random than Opeth. Technicality-wise? Yeah, definitely. Talent is neither subjective nor objective. It's all in how it's revealed. I for one, think their songs work, so I say they're talented. Fact? Hardly.

 

[Destroyer Of Orden]

Are you kidding me? You don't like BTBAM, but you think The Red Chord is awesome? BTW, The Red Chord is signed to METALBLADE. You don't make a whole lot of sense, buddy.

Well shit, I guess you can't listen to The Red Chord, now that you know they are "mainstream." Oh well, I'm sure you will find other rehashed shit out there to listen to and praise that is "underground." Your fault. Between The Buried and Me can run circles around most contemporary Metal acts. That's not my opinion...Musical theory wise, it's fact.

Musical theory wise it's a fact??? Interesting claim.... can you elaborate on that for me please?

 

[Disturbed4ntics]

I bought the new Cardigans album when it came out (And Nina's 'A-Camp' disc, too!). I love everything. I have no mainstream bias. I can appreciate a talent for good hooks as much as the 'must maintain artistic integrity!!' kind of talent. I'm not offended by harmonies and happy singing. I'm always down for a good chord change in a song.

That said.... emo is gay. Or rather, emo-thrash-core is gay. True emo-rock or emo-pop I don't mind, cause at least they're honest about what they do. But Thrice is totally disingen... how the fuck do you spell that... well anyway, they're that word. Selling your girl problems as 'punk' is so very wrong. And super mega homo style, too.

What the hell are you going on about now? Emo-rock? Emo-pop? Emo-thrash-core?

So, you would rather listen to bands like Taking Back Sunday, Dashboard Confessional, Saves The Day, and Jimmy Eat World than real Emo bands like Rites of Spring, Thursday, Saetia, Orchid, Joshua Fit For Battle, and Circle Takes The Square?

Winner!

 

[anonymousnick2001]

Hey dipshit, if that's what he likes...let him be.

 

[Disturbed4ntics]

Musical theory wise it's a fact??? Interesting claim.... can you elaborate on that for me please?

I was being facetious. This Grimace guy doesn't quite seem to understand something called opinions. Of course I know everything about music is subjective. I always have. In my opinion, there is no such thing as a fact. Everything in this world is based on opinions and theories. Everything from what type of food tastes best to atomic structure. There is no definitive answer.

 

[anonymousnick2001]

Musical theory wise it's a fact??? Interesting claim.... can you elaborate on that for me please?

Well, actually, I addressed that statement, but did you want to hear him say it or something?

Edit: You da MAN, Disturbed!

 

[Disturbed4ntics]

Hey dipshit, if that's what he likes...let him be.

He obviously knows nothing about Emo or anything to do with Hardcore for that matter. There is a difference between having an opinion and just being ignorant. I can't stand the latter.

 

[anonymousnick2001]

This is true. And it's quite funny considering his claims at the start of the thread.

Where's Luminous Aether when you need him. With him and Necro Joe we could have turned this into a sweet HXC recommendation thread.

 

[Jean-Pierre]

shitcore fucking sucks. Hell, anything with the term 'post' or 'core' attatched to it nowadays is fucking worthless wanky garbage, or stupid expressions of teenage angst. The only good hardcore was the real hardcore of the 80's such as Cro-Mags or Anti Nowhere League.

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

shitcore fucking sucks. Hell, anything with the term 'post' or 'core' attatched to it nowadays is fucking worthless wanky garbage, or stupid expressions of teenage angst. The only good hardcore was the real hardcore of the 80's such as Cro-Mags or Anti Nowhere League.

Yeah post-rock is so wanky. Get shit right, dude.

Is that what I did? I was just agreeing with Pyrus that many oldskool HXC bands use oodles of thrashy riffs. Listen to Urban Discipline or Set It Off and argue that, man.

I do agree that music does not have to have thrash riffs to be good. But most of my favorite metal happens to have them.

No I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about Pyrus, and indirectly about people like Boris who review things in a biased manner because they don't have "THRASH R1FFZ!1!"

 

[Lies and Perfidy]

You read my statement the wrong way. I was saying the GOOD thing about much metalcore which I otherwise find worthless is that they'll occasionally throw in a thrash riff. I like thrash riffs. Ergo, thrash riff in middle of crap = bonus point. Similarly, when Helstar is going through their usual power metal awesomeness and suddenly go into a New York thrash break (see: "Suicidal Nightmare"), I enjoy it more (unless it completely doesn't fit–say, Katatonia throwing in a thrash riff. That would be dumb.)

Lack of thrash will not kill something unless it otherwise sucks. A bit of thrashing will only help most things. Hence my constant references to thrash riffs when they are found.

 

[anonymousnick2001]

Meh, Unearth have a few thrashy parts.

In actuality, The Oncoming Storm is some good shit.

 

[The Grimace]

Oh lord, where to start... so much stupid, so little time... I gotta do it Stormfront style, hehe... point-by-point...

Are you kidding me? You don't like BTBAM, but you think The Red Chord is awesome?

I didn't say I didn't like BTBAM. I said they weren't 'underground', and that I hate Victory records. They're hardly the best in their sub-genre, and I could really do without the emo-core stuff they incorparate because, as I said, I'm not real fond of emo-core, but I'll listen to them if they're on.

BTW, The Red Chord is signed to METALBLADE. You don't make a whole lot of sense, buddy.

They just got signed to Metal Blade. 'Revolving Doors' was released on Robotic Empire. But none of that has anything to do with anything, since that comment was reffering to BTBAM not being underground, not whether they sucked or not. Actually, you're combining different points from my different posts now. Good one.

Well shit, I guess you can't listen to The Red Chord, now that you know they are "mainstream." Oh well, I'm sure you will find other rehashed shit out there to listen to and praise that is "underground."

Did you see the thing about the Cardigans?

Your fault. Between The Buried and Me can run circles around most contemporary Metal acts. That's not my opinion...Musical theory wise, it's fact.

Ok... umm... no, stupid. BTBAM now couldn't run circles around Today Is The Day 5 years ago, much less Dillinger, much less the bands more technical than them (there's a few). Unless you're saying they could run circles around Godsmack or something, which I would agree with.

What the hell are you going on about now? Emo-rock? Emo-pop? Emo-thrash-core?

I was talking about Thrice, but you obviously have an attention span shorter than the distance between my posts, so don't feel bad about not understanding.

So, you would rather listen to bands like Taking Back Sunday, Dashboard Confessional, Saves The Day, and Jimmy Eat World...

All gay, mainstream pop music....

...than real Emo bands like Rites of Spring, Thursday, Saetia, Orchid, Joshua Fit For Battle, and Circle Takes The Square?

All even gayer mainstream emo-core. Fucking Thursday is true emo? Since when did emo have breakdowns? You're a fucking joke, which you then proved with...

He obviously knows nothing about Emo or anything to do with Hardcore for that matter.

This little combo of statements literally made me laugh. So I guess I can't hate you too much, since I'm always forgiving to stupid fucks who manage to give me a chuckle.

There is a difference between having an opinion and just being ignorant. I can't stand the latter.

I was gonna end my post like this anyway, so thanks for saving me the time.

 

[Death Aflame]

stop being close minded douche bags. a lot of the -core bands, especially math-core have way more talent that a lot of death metal bands.

any idiots that wont take a chance to listen to Botch or Burnt by the Sun are fucking stupid and are missing out on some great bands

agreed, but alas, ignorance goes hand in hand with metal.

 

[The Grimace]

shitcore fucking sucks. Hell, anything with the term 'post' or 'core' attatched to it nowadays is fucking worthless wanky garbage

You worship music with guitar solo sections in it, where it's only about the wanky-ness. GET THIS THROUGH YOUR HEAD: YOU ARE A FUCKING STUPID SHIT, JOHNNY BOY!!

The only good hardcore was the real hardcore of the 80's such as Cro-Mags or Anti Nowhere League.

Cro-Mags were decent-to-good, ANL was actually pretty much shit (and way to go proving how much you know about hardcore by mentioning a band that METALLICA covered.)

FEAR, Birthday Party, Fugazi back in the day... the real hardcore revolutionaries. For the most part, I say fuck toughguy NY crap, it was just simplified rhythmic thrash for closet metal guys whose parents wouldn't let them grow their hair long and wear leather pants.

 

[The Grimace]

How bout Until your heart stops and Beyond hypothermia by Cave in? Both great metalcore albums.

And the rest of their stuff, excepting some of 'Antenna', is quite good too, incase you haven't got any of it. The Radiohead influence definately outweighs the Slayer influence on the newer stuff, but it's all brill.

Cult of luna are ace as well, there new one Salvation has been getting a lot playtime with me recently.

I was just listening to the S/T yesterday, I hadn't heard it in a while. Forgot how fucking dense they are, really massive. How is the new one?

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

You read my statement the wrong way. I was saying the GOOD thing about much metalcore which I otherwise find worthless is that they'll occasionally throw in a thrash riff. I like thrash riffs. Ergo, thrash riff in middle of crap = bonus point. Similarly, when Helstar is going through their usual power metal awesomeness and suddenly go into a New York thrash break (see: "Suicidal Nightmare"), I enjoy it more (unless it completely doesn't fit–say, Katatonia throwing in a thrash riff. That would be dumb.)

Lack of thrash will not kill something unless it otherwise sucks. A bit of thrashing will only help most things. Hence my constant references to thrash riffs when they are found.

OK I guess, I just don't find it particularly helpful to read in descriptions of bands that they "don't have enough thrash riffs".

Sorry to act condescendingly or whatever.

 

[Disturbed4ntics]

Oh lord, where to start... so much stupid, so little time... I gotta do it Stormfront style, hehe... point-by-point...



I didn't say I didn't like BTBAM. I said they weren't 'underground', and that I hate Victory records. They're hardly the best in their sub-genre, and I could really do without the emo-core stuff they incorparate because, as I said, I'm not real fond of emo-core, but I'll listen to them if they're on.



They just got signed to Metal Blade. 'Revolving Doors' was released on Robotic Empire. But none of that has anything to do with anything, since that comment was reffering to BTBAM not being underground, not whether they sucked or not. Actually, you're combining different points from my different posts now. Good one.



Did you see the thing about the Cardigans?



Ok... umm... no, stupid. BTBAM now couldn't run circles around Today Is The Day 5 years ago, much less Dillinger, much less the bands more technical than them (there's a few). Unless you're saying they could run circles around Godsmack or something, which I would agree with.



I was talking about Thrice, but you obviously have an attention span shorter than the distance between my posts, so don't feel bad about not understanding.



All gay, mainstream pop music....



All even gayer mainstream emo-core. Fucking Thursday is true emo? Since when did emo have breakdowns? You're a fucking joke, which you then proved with...



This little combo of statements literally made me laugh. So I guess I can't hate you too much, since I'm always forgiving to stupid fucks who manage to give me a chuckle.



I was gonna end my post like this anyway, so thanks for saving me the time.

Mainstream Emo-core? First of all, "Emo-core" is not a genre of music. Emo is short for Emotional Hardcore. If you have no Hardcore influence in your music, you are not Emo. There is no mainstream music that is true Emo. Thursday is the exception. The sad thing is, you have never heard anything by any of the other bands I have mentioned. You saw Thursday as an oppurtunity to try to prove yourself superior to me. I get it already, you listen to one mainstream band, the Cardigans. So obviously that makes your opinions toward music unbiased.

Anyway, let me give you a little history lesson on Emo, since you obviously know nothing about this genre of music.

The year was 1991. The album was End on End by a band called Rites Of Spring. This music is so raw, so emotional, that it was coined with the term "Emo." The term was initially used as an insult for bands that weren't all about that tough-guy Hardcore crap. This CD is a milestone in music. It's difficult to fathom the impact this record has made on music. If you don't own this album, you don't deserve to speak about anything relating to Hardcore.

Members from this band of course went on to form the monster we all know as Fugazi. I'm sure you know all about Fugazi though, so I will stop there.

 

[Thraxz]

I'll be honest, I hate the impact that that band has made on music. Now the bands are not only hopeless clones of a single band (nirvana) they are now WHINING clones of a single band. Its safe to say if I dislike virtually every aspect of their impact I hate them too, AND, can say what ever I want about Emo.

 

[Necro Joe]

General thoughts:

I'm coming round to the new DEP, it's a damn infectious little CD.

I honestly prefer Jupiter to anything else Cave In have done, though I am a Radiohead fan so my opinion might not count.

I did not like the Cult of Luna album before the most recent one, it just seemed to build up and up and then not really go anywhere interesting, though I'll give it another listen.

Discharge are great. Really, really great.