Some of you mentioned Bleeding Through. They're alright metalcore band. They're better than bands like Atreyu and Avenge Sevenfold who are really terrible.
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Can you honestly not see how metalcore, grindcore and hardcore are relevant to a metal site? It is really that hard to understand?
Disturbed4ntics said:
Yeah, right, so anyways, let me give you a little history lesson on Emo, since you obviously know nothing about this genre of music.
'Emo' is not 'emotional hardcore', it's 'emotional punk', you fuckin winner. I've heard that shit often before, and it's just that: shit. It's become a popular fable to talk about Rites Of Spring 'inventing' emo or whatever, therefore permanently linking 'emo' to 'hardcore', but there were more than a few late-80s bands before them who I'd say were much more influencial, but significantly less accessible, despite having even less of a hardcore element in their sounds.
Now, Emo is like Grindcore, it was a single style 15 years ago but has since been so sub-divided that there's no way all these bands could be solely classified by the original genre name alone.
THEREFORE...
I, and most non-'special' people, use the general terms (1) 'Emo-rock' meaning 'traditional' emotional punk rock, basically all the bands that sound like Weezer's 'Pinkerton' (or at least certain parts, I know Weezer isn't 'traditional', blah blah blah...) with jangly, overdriven guitar chord strumming that's more aligned with the post-rock bands that influenced so much of early 90s emo, and mostly mid-tempo punkish beats, (2) 'Emo-pop' meaning non-distorted or not mainly guitar based pop-rock, like maybe Death Cab For Cutie (who I do happen to be a fan of, btw) and those types. And (3) 'Emo-core' meaning, as you failed to understand the singular significance of, 'emotional hardcore', which basically covers all the emo-based bands with double-bass (before you talk shit, I mean sparse NYHC style double-bass, not the constant metalcore style), late 80s hardcore screaming, and a thicker, less reverbed guitar tone, the most obvious example of which would be Thursday, though not that exact style specifically. By the way, I do know all those bands you mentioned, I just happen to despise Thursday more than most.
THEREFORE...
Fuck you. Tell me what else I don't know about.
Oh, and this...
I do own it. So does that mean I'm officially qualified to call you a stupid fuck?
DE
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DE said:
Quick summation of my previous answer to this which you seem to have missed...
It's the 'popular' belief that emo is necessarily tied to hardcore roots, when in fact it's roots lie in all the 'post'-whatever bands of the 80s and early 90s, including 'post-hardcore' like Fugazi, etc. Emo is part of an older musical bloodline than the music called, at that time, 'hardcore'. And in my humble opinion, I'd say that the basic concept of emotional, as in inner-self emotional, music is in direct opposition to the original idea of hardcore, which was to be as musically and lyrically abrasive as possible, not specifically the most 'extreme' by the modern definition, but simply anything that was different, new, and unsettling while still maintaining a familiar core of standard instruments and structures. Compare this to the 'post-hardcore' style I mentioned, which took the initial ideas of HC and expanded the interpretation to include more abstract influences than just punk, pop, and rock, though by it's own definition post-HC was also able to come closer to utilizing the pure forms of these styles, thereby influencing 90s Emo with it's paradox of 'abrasive pop music'.
EDIT: I just realized that this was not a 'summation' in any way, being longer than the original statement... oh well.
sikth
...discombobulated
The Grimace said:
Its very good, certainly on a par with the beyond. Lots of bands go for the dense sound thing, but honestly I think Cult of luna have it down to a fine art, there sound is just so huge and epic.
Necro Joe said:
See i'm the opposite to you on the new DEP album. I liked it at first, but now i really don't like it all. It lacks depth and seems very bland when compared to CI or the Mike patton EP.
Necro Joe said:
Hey I'm a big time radiohead fan too, definately one of my all time favourite groups, so your opinion counts
I haven't listened to Jupiter enough to form a real opinion on it yet, the new one Antenna pretty much blows goats though. Until your heart stops and Beyond hypothermia pretty much got me into metal so I'll always love them.Been listening to Vision of disorder a bit recently, they seem pretty good so far.
sikth said:
I could sort of feel that on the S/T LP, I'd never heard a band with such thin overall production still sound so expansive... actually it sorta reminded me of the feel of 'OK Computer', creating big atmosphere with just a few chords and a high, punchy mix. I think their sound is less in the layering than in the playing itself.
(And I just D/L'd the new one, about to throw it on. I'll do a review once I've absorbed it, or started to at least.)
I can agree that it has nowhere near the musical depth of even the 'Dillinger' EP, much less CI, but I think the reason I'm so fond of it is it's simple concept... it's moderately diverse and of pretty consistant quality (read: every song doesn't sound exactly the same), which is almost a radical concept in technical hardcore nowadays. I think it's a huge statement to defy the bounds of the genre they practically defined.
What did you think of the new Mastodon? I love it for the same reason I love 'Miss Machine', it's about as far musically from 'Remission' as Mastodon could ever get, and about as far from the 'generic' bands in the scene as I would expect them to be. Blues solos, 4/4 times, and scratchy clean vocals in modern hardcore? Yes, please.
anonymousnick2001
World's Greatest Vocalist
Okay, maybe you've redeemed yourself in my eyes a tad as someone who knows their hardcore.
Cheers!
Cheers!
Life Sucks
and then you die
I hate:
As I Lay Dying
Bleeding Through
Poison the Well
Between the Buried and Me
Uphill Battle
Caliban
Killswitch Engage
I don't mind:
The Red Chord
Burnt By The Sun
Ion Dissonance
earlier Candiria (the new one sucks)
early VOD
Heaven Shall Burn
Madman Is Absolute
As I Lay Dying
Bleeding Through
Poison the Well
Between the Buried and Me
Uphill Battle
Caliban
Killswitch Engage
I don't mind:
The Red Chord
Burnt By The Sun
Ion Dissonance
earlier Candiria (the new one sucks)
early VOD
Heaven Shall Burn
Madman Is Absolute
Check out Crowpath, they slay.
The new Mastodon is really great, I do kinda miss the intensity of Remission but I'm overjoyed they tried (and succeeded) at something new. Leviathan doesn't put a foot wrong IMO.
The new Mastodon is really great, I do kinda miss the intensity of Remission but I'm overjoyed they tried (and succeeded) at something new. Leviathan doesn't put a foot wrong IMO.
Though the next album better be devistatingly intense. I need my fix of that old Today Is The Day shit, the 'In The Eyes Of God' cacophany, and Brann Dailor is the only drummer who can do it. Actually, the drummer for Crowpath seems to have that style down pretty well, too, but he ain't The Man himself.
Can you really see then going back to Remission's sound? I'd like to think they would try something different again (that's what Mr Dailor says he wants anyway) but whether they'll go more agressive or less is hard to predict. Hopefully it'll be more. How does In the eyes of God compare to Lifesblood and Remission?
Reign in Acai
Of Elephant and Man
I tried giving Miss Machine a chance. It was nauseatingly bad. It sounded about as cacophonius as Krigloch the Fattius fighting with Profanity over a slice of custard cream pie.
MasterOLightning
Optimator
I've not listened to much of the -core genres. I'm not real big on metalcore. I don't know what you could classify Mastodon as. I guess they are metalcore with everything influences. I like that they really tightened up their songwriting on the newest one. I think it's aggressive enough, although I miss a song like Crusher Destroyer. They do have thrash riffs this time, so Pyrus and Jean-Pierre might like it.
Jean-Pierre
Son of The Bitch
The Grimace said:
1. Totally fucking wrong. If you think every guitar solo section is about wank, you obviously just have a problem with solos.
2. Cro-Mags were great, and ANL was mindless fun. What a dumb fucking comment at the end as well. You realize that Metallica ALSO covered Diamond Head, Blitzkrieg and Mercyful Fate, right? You probably have never heard a damn thing by those three groups anyway, due to the fact that you listen to mindless shitcore.
3. That last paragraph is total fallacy. Anyone with a brain would agree.
Jean-Pierre said:
I didn't think there were different definitions of 'wank', or at least not when referring to music, but then I'm not a cheese-metal connoisseur like you are. I do enjoy good soloists, but I don't consider 99% of them to be good. Jason Becker, Eric Johnson, Greg Howe, a few others, are talented guitar composers who I really love, but the guy from (insert 80s shite band) is not fucking Jason Becker.
I own several albums each by Diamond Head (LTTN is in my top 20 metal albums of all time, has been since I was about 14), Blitzkrieg, and Mercyful Fate (though I'm not a solo-King fan). I'm actually a huge fan of NWOBHM stuff, anything from about '77-'82, right before Number Of The Beast ruined the scene. Especially Holocaust, Angel Witch, all the heavy ass bands. Tygers Of Pan Tang are probably my #2 band (At least on 'Spellbound' and 'Wildcat', the later shit is sub-par) behind DH, and their bassist Rocky was a big influence on my playing when I was a little kid.
Hah... I don't really know what I'm babbling about, other than to show that I probably know more about metal than you do, too. I've listened to metal for the last decade, since I got 'And Justice For All' when I was 9 or 10. It was only in the last year or two that I realized that metal was dying and all the best new stuff was Hardcore-influenced, especially with the rise of Relapse Records and the descent into mediocrity of all the big 'metal' labels like Century.
But now, in answer to #3, let me ask you a question...
Have you ever heard a single song by FEAR or the Birthday Party? Probably not. You have just heard of Fugazi before, which means you consider yourself qualified to comment on my statement. That's about it, right? I mean, tell me if I'm wrong, and you're actually a huge Nick Cave fan or something, but I'm gonna go ahead and assume that you're just spouting one of those 'talking out of my ass' opinions I mentioned in your little Douche Rivera thread.
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