The -core thread

[The Grimace]

Can you really see them going back to Remission's sound?

I can always dream, can't I?

How does In the eyes of God compare to Lifesblood and Remission?

I love Mastodon. I worship Mastodon and everything they've ever done, but oh man... 'ITEOG' is in my Top 10 core albums of all time, up there with 'Calculating Infinity' and 'Jane Doe', whereas Remission I'd say only makes my Top 20. That's how fucking good it is. It's without a doubt Brann Dailor's most extreme performance, he probably produces more hits per song on it than any drummer I've ever heard. Add to that Steve Austin's vocals and crushing production job, and you get the idea.

 

[Jean-Pierre]

I didn't think there were different definitions of 'wank', or at least not when referring to music, but then I'm not a cheese-metal connoisseur like you are. I do enjoy good soloists, but I don't consider 99% of them to be good. Jason Becker, Eric Johnson, Greg Howe, a few others, are talented guitar composers who I really love, but the guy from (insert 80s shite band) is not fucking Jason Becker.



I own several albums each by Diamond Head (LTTN is in my top 20 metal albums of all time, has been since I was about 14), Blitzkrieg, and Mercyful Fate (though I'm not a solo-King fan). I'm actually a huge fan of NWOBHM stuff, anything from about '77-'82, right before Number Of The Beast ruined the scene. Especially Holocaust, Angel Witch, all the heavy ass bands. Tygers Of Pan Tang are probably my #2 band (At least on 'Spellbound' and 'Wildcat', the later shit is sub-par) behind DH, and their bassist Rocky was a big influence on my when I was a little kid.

Hah... I don't really know what I'm babbling about, other that to show that I probably know more about metal than you do, too. I've listened to metal for the last decade, since I got 'And Justice For All' when I was 9 or 10. It was only in the last year or two that I realized that metal was dying and all the best new stuff was Hardcore-influenced, especially with the rise of Relapse Records and the descent into mediocrity of all the big 'metal' labels like Century.

But now, in answer to #3, let me ask you a question...

Have you ever heard a single song by FEAR or the Birthday Party? Probably not. You have just heard of Fugazi before, which means you consider yourself qualified to comment on my statement. That's about it, right? I mean, tell me if I'm wrong, and you're actually a huge Nick Cave fan or something, but I'm gonna go ahead and assume that you're just spouting one of those 'talking out of my ass' opinions I mentioned in your little Douche Rivera thread.

It's good to know you have some taste, as all the NWOBHM you listed is excellent, and no, Fugazi fucking blows. I never said I've heard FEAR or Birthday Party--I just pointed out which bands I believe should be recognized as actual hardcore. The newer "core" sounds more like Metal than the previous, rather than the opposite.

Cheese Metal connoisseur, eh? hehe, whatever you say. Relapse is nearly a worthless label, and I'm sorry you lost interest in Metal, but thousands of bands disprove your "metal is dying" statement.

 

[The Grimace]

It's good to know you have some taste, as all the NWOBHM you listed is excellent, and no, Fugazi fucking blows. I never said I've heard FEAR or Birthday Party--I just pointed out which bands I believe should be recognized as actual hardcore. The newer "core" sounds more like Metal than the previous, rather than the opposite.

But you're opinion of Hardcore is pretty biased and ultimately quite un-informed, isn't it? It's like someone who owns a few Nirvana and Pearl Jam albums trying to have an opinion on the greater Indie music scene.

Or maybe it's more like some dickhead who only listens to Thrash from 2 decades ago trying to have an opinion on the larger extreme music scene.

Whatever, either way, can we agree to stop now? Since I'm sure you couldn't be enjoying this as much as I am.

 

[Jean-Pierre]

But you're opinion of Hardcore is pretty biased and ultimately quite un-informed, isn't it? It's like someone who owns a few Nirvana and Pearl Jam albums trying to have an opinion on the greater Indie music scene.

Or maybe it's more like some dickhead who only listens to Thrash from 2 decades ago trying to have an opinion on the larger extreme music scene.

Whatever, either way, can we agree to stop now?

I've listened to a great deal of modern hardcore, I honestly dislike most of what I've heard.

I like all sorts of Metal, except gothenburg, metalcore, flowermetal, etc. Anyway, now that we've established all this bullshit, it's all good.

 

[anonymousnick2001]

I haven't seen a UM truce in so long...brings tears it does...good stuff...

Forgive my ignorance, but what's this album with Brann Dailor that's being compared to Lifesblood and Remission? I'm interested...

 

[The Grimace]

Forgive my ignorance, but what's this album with Brann Dailor that's being compared to Lifesblood and Remission? I'm interested...

"In The Eyes Of God" by Today Is The Day, the band that sorta spawned Mastodon. It also features Bill Kelliher (Mastodon guitarist) on bass. And it's fucken wickid, too.

EDIT: Hey, I wonder where that Disturbed guy went? I know I owned him like a slave and all, but he just kinda dissapeared...

 

[anonymousnick2001]

WTF? I like Today Is The Day. At least, what I've heard of them. I need to do more research...

Disturbed4ntics comes and goes.

 

[Krilons Resa]

ItEoG is ABSOLUTELY one of the BEST and most hate-fueled albums ever, as well as Brann Dailor's best performance.

Add to that Sadness Will Prevail is the MOST FUCKED UP and surreal album I have ever had the pleasure to endure/listen to.

 

[sikth]

"In The Eyes Of God" by Today Is The Day, the band that sorta spawned Mastodon. It also features Bill Kelliher (Mastodon guitarist) on bass. And it's fucken wickid, too.

It was Today is the day and Lethargy that spawned mastodon right? I've heard some Lethargy tracks which were pretty sweet, haven't checked out Today is the day though I certainly will do after your recommendation!

What did you think of the new Mastodon?

I haven't managed to really get into yet, I've been listening to death metal almost exclusively recently (except for Australasia by Pelican, can't stop listening to it at the mo!) and the lack of intensity of Leviathan kinda put me off. I'll have to give it a few more spins.

Check out Crowpath, they slay

Agreed, Red on chrome kicks serious ass, bless UM for introducing me to them.

Whats converge's latest album like? Haven't got around to getting it yet, Jane doe is definately one of my favourite albums of all time and I'm scared that I'm gonna be disappointed

 

[Necro Joe]

You fail me is brilliant, it's a bit less chaotic and more varied than Jane Doe, and some of the songs are their best to date. Though there are a few that take a while to work into your system.

 

[The Grimace]

You fail me is brilliant, it's a bit less chaotic and more varied than Jane Doe, and some of the songs are their best to date. Though there are a few that take a while to work into your system.

My only complaint about 'You Fail Me' was that they seemed to have lost all the raw violence that made 'Jane Doe' so... fucking scary, man. That album was like a brutal beating.

 

[oneshotendsthiswar]

havent been on the board in months, resurrecting an old thread here.

good metalcore:
converge
old cave in
coalesce
botch
dillinger escape plan
pig destroyer
agoraphobic nosebleed
drowningman
isis
pelican
neurosis
strongarm
shai hulud
with honor
turmoil
vulgar pigeons
mastodon

bad metalcore:
from autumn to ashes
a perfect murder
between the buried and me (no denying the talent, couldnt write a song to save their lives though)
remembering never
all that remains
bleeding through
atreyu
caliban
zao
walls of jericho
18 visions
the acacia strain
the end
unearth
it dies today
sinai beach
into the moat
poison the well
bury your dead
dead to fall
premonitions of war

it occurs to me that this bad metalcore list could go for a long time. suffice it to say that metalcore can be done well, but most often isnt.

 

[sikth]

Nice list! I like shai hulud, haven't heard much of there stuff though. Indeed for every decent metalcore band out there, there are shit loads of terrible emo-screamo bullshit bands out there.

I don't see what all the fuss about between the buried and me is as well, I could only stand to listen to there self titled album for a few tracks before I had to put it in the "don't listen to ever again" pile. Way to whiney and immature sounding for my tastes.

 

[The Grimace]

good metalcore:
vulgar pigeons

Hah!! I haven't heard that name in a long while.

bad metalcore:
the end

I'm pretty much on with the rest of your list, but what in the fuck??? How do you put The End next to Unearth??

EDIT: Into The Moat is also ridiculously good, and shouldn't be sharing any list with fucking From Autumn To Ashes. But I'll stop criticizing your list now.

RE-EDIT: Sinai Beach is really pretty good, except for the gay choruses, but then they're singing about God and not girls so I guess it's not that bad.

 

[anonymousnick2001]

I'm really liking BTBAM's s/t.

As far as their songwriting, cut-and-paste all the way, but I think they're pretty much aware of that. Some people actually like disjointed-sounding music.

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

BTBAM are good shit.

Invocation of Nehek's new one destroys.

 

[oneshotendsthiswar]

Hah!! I haven't heard that name in a long while.



I'm pretty much on with the rest of your list, but what in the fuck??? How do you put The End next to Unearth??

EDIT: Into The Moat is also ridiculously good, and shouldn't be sharing any list with fucking From Autumn To Ashes. But I'll stop criticizing your list now.

RE-EDIT: Sinai Beach is really pretty good, except for the gay choruses, but then they're singing about God and not girls so I guess it's not that bad.

my problem with the end and into the moat is that i could listen to their albums a thousand times and never remember one of their songs.

both bands are obviously technically talented, but the way they write their songs does not appeal to me at all. some bands can write in a disjointed way and end up making sense, the song comes together in the end, i dont get that from these two bands. i just plain dont like sinai beach.

 

[The Grimace]

my problem with the end and into the moat is that i could listen to their albums a thousand times and never remember one of their songs.

both bands are obviously technically talented, but the way they write their songs does not appeal to me at all. some bands can write in a disjointed way and end up making sense, the song comes together in the end, i dont get that from these two bands.

See, this is a solid opinion that I can appreciate. I totally understand where you're coming from, not because I agree but because I'm the total opposite. What doesn't appeal to you is exactly what I love, I've got almost a fetish for nonsense noise (huge Mike Patton fan, and not just Bungle/Faith/Fantomas and the 'normal' stuff. Check out his improv'd recordings with John Zorn and Dave Lombardo. Now THAT'S fucking noise.) I'm very into pure sound experimentation, so a bands like The End and ITM are really quite tame to me, in that respect. I think the reason I'm such a fan of this particular style is for the exact reason you don't like it, every time I listen a song is like the first time, so I'm constantly impressed.

But I'd reccomend that if you've only heard The End's 'Transfer Trachea...' then you should hear 'Within Dividia'. It's much more cohesive than their previous work and indeed most releases from the genre. There's actually 'idea development', with slow songs/fast songs, etc. Plus there's a bunch of wicked bass leads and solos, which rules.

 

[oneshotendsthiswar]

See, this is a solid opinion that I can appreciate. I totally understand where you're coming from, not because I agree but because I'm the total opposite. What doesn't appeal to you is exactly what I love, I've got almost a fetish for nonsense noise (huge Mike Patton fan, and not just Bungle/Faith/Fantomas and the 'normal' stuff. Check out his improv'd recordings with John Zorn and Dave Lombardo. Now THAT'S fucking noise.) I'm very into pure sound experimentation, so a bands like The End and ITM are really quite tame to me, in that respect. I think the reason I'm such a fan of this particular style is for the exact reason you don't like it, every time I listen a song is like the first time, so I'm constantly impressed.

But I'd reccomend that if you've only heard The End's 'Transfer Trachea...' then you should hear 'Within Dividia'. It's much more cohesive than their previous work and indeed most releases from the genre. There's actually 'idea development', with slow songs/fast songs, etc. Plus there's a bunch of wicked bass leads and solos, which rules.

within dividia is the only album ive heard from them. im a big patton fan too, and have heard the majority of his projects, even if just a couple songs from each. i can appreciate structured noise too, i loved the dillinger escape plan ep that he did and the rest of deps albums, and i dig bands like burnt by the sun, botch, so on and so forth. i guess im just more of a fan of bands that either make it memorable somehow or go ahead off the deep end, which coincidentally patton normally does (i.e. tomahawk vs his stuff with zorn). bands like itm and the end just kind of wade around in the middle somewhere and i dont really dig it. different strokes.

 

[anonymousnick2001]

I thought I was the only Patton fan on here! \m/

I also like The End...and I'm inquiring more into Invocation of Nehek. I liked what I heard.