- Dec 10, 2003
- 6,755
- 134
- 63
The U.S. consumer was getting raped by the foreign product because they essentially enjoyed a monopoly in this market.
Britain was notorious for this. Later, Japan did it in electronics to us.
Are you by any chance referring to Japan's practice of dumping consumer electronics? Exactly how is the U.S. consumer "raped" by such practices? The alternative is forcing the U.S. consumer to pay higher prices while stifling innovation and shielding special interests from actual competition.
routinely has been caught subsidizing its industries who dump its products below the selling price found in China.
Good for the U.S. consumer, bad for U.S. special interests.
Before 1800 and the "Union" of Britain and Ireland, Ireland defended their industry and therefore grew in prosperity. After the "Union", Britain rammed "free trade" regulations down the throat of Ireland, eliminating every trade barrier so that England could buy Irish raw materials, dump English products into Ireland, they destroyed the Irish industry, wrecking the Irish economy and spreading unemployment and hunger throughout the nation.
The problem was not with free trade as such, but rather with England's destructive interventionist policies and its control of Ireland. For years the British government's stranglehold on Ireland's economy and its violation of Irish property rights distorted the economic structure and even led to excessive exploitation of land without regard for consequences. And the British government only exacerbated the potato blight after its onset, ultimately helping to turn a blight into a full-fledged famine. Among other things, heavy taxation for the procurement of wasteful public works projects and welfare programs was not only a drain on the Irish economy but also crowded out private charity. But the British government didn't just crowd out private charity indirectly. In some cases, they actually turned away ships full of food from America. Examples can be multiplied.
England bit the free trade fruit and nearly starved itself in WW I. War leaves free trade zealots looking like lambs being led to the slaughter.
England had become so dependent on imported food (mostly from America) due to the elimination of its corn laws in the name of free trade, that by the first World War she could barely feed 1/4 of her population.
You're going to have to explain how repeal of protectionist policies is tied to the fact that "by the first World War she could barely feed 1/4 of her population." I'm not familiar with that particular historical episode, but I suspect you're referring to some kind of food shortage around that time. Even if what you say is true as far as that goes, it's hardly an argument that supports protectionism over free trade. I could just as well make similar arguments against protectionism. Look up a little something called 'food riots'.
Japan, they always have thumbed their nose at western economics and free trade.
The result?
Japan leads the world in autos, cameras, semiconductors, optics, and are aiming for passenger jets. They now make 35% of the Boeing Dreamliner and have extorted Boeing's wing technology. One of many examples.
How exactly do you mean to tie Japan's protectionism to its relative competitiveness? They make products that people want to buy, simple as that.
Our dollar is going in the tank because we do have "free trade".
This is nonsense. The dollar is tanking because of bad monetary policy.
Since we no longer are "stupid" and removed all taxes off of imports, guess what percent of our GNP imports now represent?
About 20%. 20% of our imported economy generates essentially zero tax revenue. We used to average about 4% imports as percent of our GNP back when we were "stupid" and taxed those imports.
So what? Exactly how would taxing imports represent a boon for our economy?
More than one economist with a PhD behind his name has noted that the down fall of American manufacturing has more to do with the destruction of its protective system than it becoming "fat and lazy", and I can name historians from other nations that made the exact same observation.
First of all, there's nothing sacred about manufacturing jobs. Real growth over time would naturally lead to a decline in manufacturing jobs given that less input is required to produce a given amount of output. This is bad how? But even if I grant that manufacturing is important, the loss of manufacturing jobs has not been accompanied by a comparable loss in manufacturing output. As a matter of fact, it's been accompanied by booms in manufacturing output, which is evidence of growth. Furthermore, much of the loss in manufacturing jobs can be attributed to a slump in U.S. exports and the recession at the turn of the century (something we'd expect to have an effect on employment).
Over 500,000 Americans were documented as having lost their jobs as a direct consequence of NAFTA. It is estimated that at least twice as many workers lost their jobs from indirect consequences.
Oh I see. So if something has the words 'free' and 'trade' in it, then it must be a prime example of free trade, right? NAFTA is hardly a free trade agreement (in fact, it just so happens to contain something like 900 pages of tariff rates if I'm not mistaken). At any rate, the fact that some jobs are destroyed is not inherently detrimental to our economy by any stretch of the imagination. Technology has eliminated millions of jobs in the U.S., but the American worker is no less employable now because of that fact. What a pity that the light bulb was invented, right? After all, think about all the jobs that were lost in the kerosene lamp industry. Give me a break. And anyway, if you look at the bigger picture the average annual rate of unemployment in the U.S. fell steadily from the time of NAFTA's approval until 2001.