The God Poll

What do you believe?

  • I'm an Atheist

    Votes: 20 43.5%
  • I'm an Agnostic

    Votes: 14 30.4%
  • I accept the possiblity of a "higher power"

    Votes: 4 8.7%
  • I believe in God, but not in an organized religion sort of way

    Votes: 5 10.9%
  • I believe in God and I'm Religious

    Votes: 3 6.5%

  • Total voters
    46
All of the first three fit me. I'm not a theist, so I'm an atheist; I can't claim to actually know whether God exists, so I'm agnostic; and of course I can't dismiss the mere possibility that there's a guiding, purposeful intelligence behind nature.

What I've described is often called weak atheism, which doesn't seem to be a widely used definition of atheism, except among people who call themselves atheists. The average theist would probably call me "just agnostic," even though the lack of evidence certainly inclines me toward the "no God" option, and I find the falsehood of all revelation-based religions inherently more likely than the falsehood of all but one.

edit: To elaborate on the last point...

Most moderate/liberal Christians I know are basically Unitarian in spite of calling themselves Catholic or Methodist or whatever, so they really hesitate to accept my dichotomy of "accept no religion" vs. "accept one religion and implicitly reject all others," but I don't see how anything else is intellectually defensible. They might say, "Parts of Buddhism are true, parts of Judaism are true, parts of Mormonism are true," but that's plainly not the same as, "Buddhism is true, Judaism is true, Mormonism is true," and the problem of reconciling all conflicting religions leaves them with an even bigger mess on their hands than the problem of glossing over all the backwards-ass savagery in the Bible, and rationalizing why Genesis and Noah's Ark are clearly allegory while the Ressurection is literal history (I actually saw some clown on TV say it was the best proven fact in history, according to one Oxford professor), etc. etc.

But with all that aside, once you've accepted one religion as true and implicitly dismissed everything else, you essentially have proof that the vast majority of religions are explicable in terms of fluke/fraud and hardly a scrap of evidence that your religion is not (unless you're really persuaded by apologetics or experience).

edit 2:

Rather than try to cram all that into the "Religious Views" section of my Facebook profile, I just post the following URL: http://deanoc.ytmnd.com
 
I fall into the category of: Don't know, don't really care, and everything everyone has ever told me sounds rather weak/cheesy or unsupportable. So I'm an Atheist for lack of evidence.
 
It's difficult to accept something from nothing, or at the same time an infinite beginning that was just always there with no purpose rhyme or reason. I don't believe I'm capable of understanding the true nature of things, scientific or otherwise.
Jason... I think I've recommended it you before, but if you haven't done so, you should consider reading [ame="http://www.amazon.com/God-Delusion-Richard-Dawkins/dp/0618680004/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-2906382-4590407?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1193155173&sr=8-1"]The God Delusion[/ame]. Mind you, I'm not trying to convince you of anything (though I suspect you probably have your doubts about that). I just think you'd find what he has to say interesting.

Unlike Hitchens' book, Dawkins' book is an easy read. Although he's a Oxford Professor, with multiple doctorate degrees, he explains things very clearly. It's a book I'd recommend to anyone, regardless of whether they are an Atheist of a Christian Fundamentalist.

Zod
 
Jason... I think I've recommended it you before, but if you haven't done so, you should consider reading The God Delusion. Mind you, I'm not trying to convince you of anything (though I suspect you probably have your doubts about that). I just think you'd find what he has to say interesting.

Unlike Hitchens' book, Dawkins' book is an easy read. Although he's a Oxford Professor, with multiple doctorate degrees, he explains things very clearly. It's a book I'd recommend to anyone, regardless of whether they are an Atheist of a Christian Fundamentalist.

Zod

Maren is reading that book right now, and we have the Movie on our harddrive. It's also pretty nifty, some of the interviews he has are pretty... unnerving, especially for you yankee infidel fuckers.
 
Jason... I think I've recommended it you before, but if you haven't done so, you should consider reading The God Delusion. Mind you, I'm not trying to convince you of anything (though I suspect you probably have your doubts about that). I just think you'd find what he has to say interesting.

Here's the issue - I'm not searching for answers or even other views on the subject. I'm (ironically) 100% content with how I feel and will only discuss the issue among my peers when it's brought up if they wish to engage in discourse. That's the only time I find the topic even remotely interesting other then when I ponder the issues alone.

I can appreciate the interesting nature of reading books/essays, etc. to others on the subject, but they are just not interesting to me. Nothing short of our ability to re-create the Big Bang or an actual "higher power" providing proof of existence to me personally is going to have any affect whatsoever on my personal philosophy on the subject.
 
I voted "higher power." I believe religion is largely another means of controlling the masses and that it is something we will have to move past if we hope to evolve as a species. On the other hand, it's actually been through study of science and metaphysics that has led me to believe me in an underlying order to existence that while it may not speak of a sentience as we define it, still resonates with the notion of a higher power.
 
Yeah, the movie was semi-interesting, but I'm not overly interested in the theme as a whole. I feel/think what I feel/think, and beyond that. Whatever.
 
Here's the issue - I'm not searching for answers or even other views on the subject. I'm (ironically) 100% content with how I feel and will only discuss the issue among my peers when it's brought up if they wish to engage in discourse. That's the only time I find the topic even remotely interesting other then when I ponder the issues alone.
I must confess, I find it somewhat baffling that there are people have who have no interest in this topic. There are few subjects I find more intriguing. However, as with all things, to each their own.:kickass:

Zod
 
I must confess, I find it somewhat baffling that there are people have who have no interest in this topic. There are few subjects I find more intriguing.

To further clarify - it's not that I don't find the topic interesting, it's that I don't find others' views on the topic interesting unless it's being discussed in a friendly, casual roundtable type atmosphere to pass the time.

GZ said:
However, as with all things, to each their own.:kickass:

No way - my view is the only correct view and anyone who has a different view is clearly a moron!! :loco:
 
there has to be someone of a higher level than us schumcks ... to believe anything else is ...
 
Since swizzlenuts and I (and others) have had more than one lengthy discussion of this issue this week, I'll throw in my two cents:

Any atheist who doesn't at least admit the possibility of a higher power is just as fucking stupid and worthless as those who believe without any doubt.


edit: /Demilich (but tomorrow I go home so this shit won't happen any more)
 
I've always thought a more important question than even if there is a god/higher power is whether or not it makes any difference... I mean sure, if the Catholic Dogma held to be true, most of us would be right fucked, but as that seems almost as likely as Jerry and Susperia settling down in their own little love nest, we're left a much more ambiguous and less invasive likelihood of "god." Would the certainty of a god/higher power figure change anything if life and human existence was otherwise unchanged? Or would the knowledge itself completely shift our collective existence? Could it change without having that certainty? (okay, so this turned into more than 'A' question)
 
I voted religious, even though I'm not all that extreme. I'm an Episcopalian and their whole philosophy is basically "We believe, but we don't know for sure and won't force it on people etc etc etc". Catholics and Baptists are fucked up.

edit: My religious views are quite complex. I'm not sure I'm even an actual Episcopalian. However, I'm an aspiring church organist and will need a job at a church at some point, and I largely agree with most Episco views