The nu-metal thread - for spawny

[Blitzkrieg]

I agree with alot of that Trent. Nu-metal spawned from the demise of grunge, and the media have labelled it metal because of the heavy element. If you want someone to blame, point the finger at the heavier grunge bands such as 'Helmet', some 'Stone Temple Piolets', 'Alice In Chains' ect. I think this is where nu-metal originally came from.

 

[spawn]

Originally posted by JonBonJovi


Well this metal chick is very proud to say I don't like any of it....this may be due to the fact I love my glam more than anything else.
So young Spawny don't go calling this chick a poser .............remember I know where you live.....I'll fix ya' up ....I'm still full of rage of my haircut too...so look out boy because "I'm a loaded gun, bang bang"

Well, I do know that you dont really get into the heavier stuff like Machinehead etc. So im not surprised you dont like the numetal stuff

 

[JonBonJovi]

Originally posted by spawn


Well, I do know that you dont really get into the heavier stuff like Machinehead etc. So im not surprised you dont like the numetal stuff

I do like some Machinehead,and earlier White Zombie,and Soilwork amongst others however all this mixing rappy style stuff with messy guitar etc bores me...more than Ska.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Originally posted by spawn
Hmm, could you perhaps explain to me who Slipknot sound like, and then why they are not playing a new style of metal?

They sound like about a 5 piece band who invited their friends around to play dress up and bang on instruments, in an attempt to play teen angst ridden music in order to appeal to degenerate teens looking for some way to vent their ""anger"" and rebel against society.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Not all nu-metal incorperates rap and sampling ect. Fear Factory's 'Demanufacture' album is awesome, as many of you would agree, and it doesn't have a hint of Limp Bizkit comercialism.

 

[spawn]

Originally posted by Blitzkrieg

They sound like about a 5 piece band who invited their friends around to play dress up and bang on instruments, in an attempt to play teen angst ridden music in order to appeal to degenerate teens looking for some way to vent their ""anger"" and rebel against society.

You didnt answer my question

 

[JonBonJovi]

Originally posted by Blitzkrieg
Not all nu-metal incorperates rap and sampling ect. Fear Factory's 'Demanufacture' album is awesome, as many of you would agree, and it doesn't have a hint of Limp Bizkit comercialism.

whatever the whole style to me is not my cup of tea...they are a more indian style tea I prefer my Cammonmile in comparisons

 

[Spiff]

Originally posted by Blitzkrieg
Not all nu-metal incorperates rap and sampling ect. Fear Factory's 'Demanufacture' album is awesome, as many of you would agree, and it doesn't have a hint of Limp Bizkit comercialism.

Yeah, but I've never considered them to be nu-metal.

 

[TRrEiTxIxRiE DTrash]

Originally posted by Blitzkrieg

They sound like about a 5 piece band who invited their friends around to play dress up and bang on instruments, in an attempt to play teen angst ridden music in order to appeal to degenerate teens looking for some way to vent their ""anger"" and rebel against society.

There ya go Spawny, what he said!

Hahaha nah, as I stated in that long post and as Blitzy highlighted also.... Slipknot like most other bands spawned more from the grunge movement than the metal scene. There is the metal influence there but there is also influence of about 5 other different types of music who have as much or stronger presence in the music, such as hardcore (the attitude, wall of guitar sound and vocals especially) and hip hop (the DJs, some of the beats, and the rhythm of the vocal delivery).

I personally think there is very little metal in their sound at all really. Double kicking with the drums, and maybe the occasional riff here and there, but very rarely. That's about it.

 

[Goreripper]

I wouldn't say that 'Demanufacture' was nu-metal, but FF did influence the style; the main 'offenders' if you want to use that term however are probably Korn and Sepultura, particularly from 'Roots' onwards... It's arguable, of course, but I tend to define a band along nu-metal lines if their music makes heavy use of (but not restricted to) elements like forced harmonics, down-tuned guitars, hardcore-style vocals mixed with rap and scratch mixing. Ergo, in my opinion, nu-metal would encompass stuff like Slipknot, Korn, Spineshank, Linkin Park, Segression, Frankenbok, System of a Down, Machine Head (third album onward), Mushroomhead, Static-X, the last Fear Factory album, Stuck Mojo, Sevendust, Superheist, Ill Nino, Dry Kill Logic, Coal Chamber, Henry's Anger, Soulfly and other bands of similar style/attitude/outlook/dress sense. It's pigeonholing, certainly, but there's no denying that it is a distinct genre, and as such it has to be called something. I don't think the tag nu-metal is particularly appropriate, but I never agreed with the use of grunge either.

 

[spawn]

*Sigh* I know im wasting my time here, but im bored, so....

There is VERY little hip hop in Slipknot, on the first album there was one song with rap on it, and on the second there were none. The DJ doesnt use beats or samplings for the verses, its all guitar riffs, you mainly here the DJ/sampler in the intros, quiet eerie bits of the songs.

The vocals are WAY more influenced by black and death metal. I cant see the difference between Burton from FF signing the way he does and the guy from Slipknot doing the EXACT same thing and yet FF is metal and Slipknot is not.

Theres plenty of guitar riffing and technical stuff in Slipknot as well.

Whenever I ask any of you why you hate Slipknot, you always come out with something similair to what Blitzy or Trent said i.e.

"They sound like about a 5 piece band who invited their friends around to play dress up and bang on instruments, in an attempt to play teen angst ridden music in order to appeal to degenerate teens looking for some way to vent their ""anger"" and rebel against society"

Which just goes to show that you have never actually listened and only hate them because everyone else in metal does.

Do you criticise black metal bands for wearing makeup and being misanthropic?
What about metal bands like My Dying Bride and Sentenced who are way more whiny and "woe is me" than Slipknot ever got.
Why does it matter how many people are in the band? So they started a band with all of their friends, should they dump them when they get a record deal simply because they probably arent needed in the grand scheme of things and the record compay wanted them to get rid of them?


Im SO wasting my time here

 

[Spiff]

I was apprehensive about buying a Slipknot album but heard Left Behind and thought it was great, and was very surprised when I found that Iowa sounded like straightforward metal to me. I expected lots of rapping and stuff, and I was certainly put off by the silly costumes, but Iowa is a great album!

 

[spawn]

Thank you Spiffy I just have a VERY hard time believing anyone who likes bands like Machinehead, Fear Factory or death metal can hate Slipknot so much, its not a big leap from either band.....

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Originally posted by spawn
"They sound like about a 5 piece band who invited their friends around to play dress up and bang on instruments, in an attempt to play teen angst ridden music in order to appeal to degenerate teens looking for some way to vent their ""anger"" and rebel against society"

Which just goes to show that you have never actually listened and only hate them because everyone else in metal does.

I own the first album, and have listened to the second album twice, so I HAVE heard them, and know what I am talking about when I make a comment on the music. That comment I made was exactly what I think about the band to a tee, and I thought that the first time I listened to their first album the day I bought it, which was in its first week of release. I had heard one of their songs on some RoadRunner demo sampler cd, and quite liked it at the time, so I bought the album a few weeks later when it was released. The first time I listened to it I just thought to myself "if this band makes it they are gonna get so many teenagers off, they are gonna be the next Nirvana", and I wasn't far off. In my opinion, Slipknot's first album more closely resemble a more aggressive 'Deftones' style, rather than a death metal style. Their second album has taken a small step in the 'metal' direction, but they still ain't there.

My original comment stands, and I still think they sound more like an evolved grunge band with a whole new bag of tricks (ie. sampling, heavier sound, more aggressive ect.) than a metal band.


*adds a smiley at the end of rant to lighten the mood*

 

[spawn]

Ah well, each to their own I guess

 

[Blitzkrieg]

 

[KoichCPA]

I like Henry's Anger and Deftones,can i have my chain wallet now please?

 

[TRrEiTxIxRiE DTrash]

Originally posted by spawn
*Sigh* I know im wasting my time here, but im bored, so....

There is VERY little hip hop in Slipknot, on the first album there was one song with rap on it, and on the second there were none. The DJ doesnt use beats or samplings for the verses, its all guitar riffs, you mainly here the DJ/sampler in the intros, quiet eerie bits of the songs.

The vocals are WAY more influenced by black and death metal. I cant see the difference between Burton from FF signing the way he does and the guy from Slipknot doing the EXACT same thing and yet FF is metal and Slipknot is not.

Theres plenty of guitar riffing and technical stuff in Slipknot as well.

Whenever I ask any of you why you hate Slipknot, you always come out with something similair to what Blitzy or Trent said i.e.

"They sound like about a 5 piece band who invited their friends around to play dress up and bang on instruments, in an attempt to play teen angst ridden music in order to appeal to degenerate teens looking for some way to vent their ""anger"" and rebel against society"

Which just goes to show that you have never actually listened and only hate them because everyone else in metal does.

Do you criticise black metal bands for wearing makeup and being misanthropic?
What about metal bands like My Dying Bride and Sentenced who are way more whiny and "woe is me" than Slipknot ever got.
Why does it matter how many people are in the band? So they started a band with all of their friends, should they dump them when they get a record deal simply because they probably arent needed in the grand scheme of things and the record compay wanted them to get rid of them?


Im SO wasting my time here

I've heard every song off the first album at least 15 times because EVERY single one of my school friends was a huge fan.

About the rapping thing.... listen to the delivery of the vocals even when he is at his most aggressive. He is screaming the lines with a rap rhythm. "EN-EMY... SHOW ME WHAT YOU WANNA BE..." blah blah I don't know the rest of the lyrics there, but that is an example. It's aggressively screamed rapping, and his voice is much more of a hardcore voice than a metal voice. It's teen angst really.

And I wasn't bagging the guitar work even though I don't like it, I just mean that the guitars are used in a way to add to the wall of sound backing the vocals, rather than to be a main highlight of the music as it is in metal bands.

And I have no problem with their image. In fact that is the only thing I like about the band because unlike most modern bands they are trying to put on some kind of a show and look different. I applaud them for that. Just like how most people say "I hate Manson but his music is ok"... I hate his music but apart from the way he's gone in the last few years I liked his image/stageshow because I like shock rock. I just don't like the gothy/industrual/negative edge to his music, I prefer shock rock to be mixed with rock'n'roll attitude.

 

[spawn]

Well you lost me with the "he's rapping on (sic)" (which is the song you were talking about) are you mad Troops? Maybe rap means something different in glam land

 

[spawn]

Oh yeah, Troops you will love this, did you know the drummer in Slipknot got one of those Tommy Lee upside down drum things for when they played live for their recent tour?