The official and most atmospheric Children of Joonas thread

[(__Joonas__)]

Interesting bit of information regarding the Hatebreeder artwork: recent study proves that cosmic radiations that appear in the northern hemisphere as aurora borealis have an influence on people's brain by potentially increasing their depression.

 

[ESA1996]

Interesting notice that this thread is pretty much a dialog between me and Joonas. Mostly Joonas.

 

[Norbix]

Maybe COB doesn't go in the atmospheric direction anymore purely because that's what Joonas wants.

 

[(__Joonas__)]

Why can't Bodom make something like this if they're going simple now? This is dark and atmospheric and catchy, so no harm done.



I talked earlier how this should be their next album's tempo at 0:53 - the song above shows how it can be atmospheric too.

 

[(__Joonas__)]

Blooddrunk is definitely my fave album after FTR times.

 

[NewHewkas]

Blooddrunk is definitely my fave album after FTR times.

April 1. will be in three weeks.

 

[Hatebreeder01]

Blooddrunk is definitely my fave album after FTR times.

Wtf. Ok.

 

[(__Joonas__)]

It only has two weak songs, 5 and 7. The sound is dark and it's got a pumping energy and really great songwriting when you compare to the newest stuff. Not perfect of course, but it sounds fresh and catchy after the newest album which I think Alexi ran into trouble with.

It feels to me that with IWC Alexi had to come up with a nice idea for each song, but ended up short on material in general, so they went 'you know what... we're gonna have to fucking drop solos, we're gonna have to slow it down and repeat sections a lot, then just tune lower to sound heavier because the simplicity requires it. One good idea per song, then just do what Joonas says: repeat that idea a lot, make it the backbone of the song.'

For the next album they should play much faster stuff and try to make the soundworld sincerely dark for once, you could still have that even if there was little actual ideas to play with. It needs to have 8 songs with 3:25 average duration, plus atmospheric passages. Two of the songs are slow, rest are really fast, but no medium-tempo at all. There's chilling atmosphere followed by this insane riffing, orchestral hits following agonizing screams. A cult album where every second is pure menace and mystery. It should sound like someone crawling under the moon, escaping demonic children chasing after her with heinous intentions.

0:53 - 1:00 this kind of speed and riffing would return them to the top, and it should be constant thorough the album. Also I think Bodom have unnecessary much vocals these days, just conserve them to the best bits, be creative and leave room for music, it also contributes to the feeling of mystery and dark when the singer maintains himself at least half of the song. I think I'm looking at them to use elements from the world of fast atmospheric black metal...

 

[(__Joonas__)]

Sigh, ok last night I was doing what I considered a very important post, but reading it again it was the same stuff I've said a million times, anyway here's what I listed for suggestions for the next album.

- darken the soundworld
- increase speed quite dramatically to make perilous riffing, as much speed as you can possibly handle while keeping it dark, it can be just simple tremolo riffing with a dark vibe
- two very slow, very atmospheric songs
- slow, doomy riffs as background for beautifully dark melodies
- radical but flowing tempo changes with acrobatic drum sections
- much less vocals, but do them with style, like spewing malice and disgust with poetic passion
- solos that eventually melt to become the main melody of songs in total absence of vocals
- some songs should have a doom melody with chorus, some a fast riff, some a melody...
- orchestral hits and ultra fast, blazing drum sections
- grand piano and other moody stuff with keyboards to bring out desired feeling in riffs

 

[Marowak]

here's some bodom-esqe game music

 

[(__Joonas__)]

Still better than all metal made today.

 

[(__Joonas__)]

I think many songs on Hatebreeder (1, 2, 3, 4, 6) have this vibe like a colossal dark entity crawling over the world and burying everyone under total demise; you can sense how Alexi intended to bleed his emotional distress into the music as a catalyst to project them onto others in a cry of hate and despair. In that sense the originally intended title Towards Dead End would've fit the vibe better, but it wasn't a perfect description either and Hatebreeder just rhymes well and is memorable... it definitely tells about the last night alive when you're haunted, trying to hide, driven by the chilling adrenaline of survival, escaping your demons, falling to a trap, then watch the angels come burning down at the moment when hope fades. I can see red eyes peeling thru a forest under a mythical night when listening to the album. The song Towards Dead End reflects the sheer bliss of cutting yourself to numb emotional pain, while realizing death is waiting for you with open arms as a way out of dead end. Downfall is the eventual day of judgement when even the survivors can no longer hide and escape the inevitable fate that's been silently lurking about, when those living a sinful life can no longer experience hedonistic pleasure and need to come face to face with the ill conscience they've tried to hide from themselves up to that final night, with the understanding creeping to their mind that they've become just as dark and vile as everything they ever loathed, thus accepting whatever fate they deserve as it's too late for regrets. Silent Night, Bodom Night is a beautifully told campfire story about a terrible night, remembering the victims of a tragic mystery, but it's voiced in such spine-chilling fashion it becomes real and suddenly you're running from the killer's knife into the woods.






Btw, I think the upcoming movie could use a really cool twist of events in the story. Not sure if they thought about this, but if I made the script... The youth would run into arguments and get noisy, even violent... but this would only aggravate the memory of a mysterious hooded bypasser lurking about, eventually it is revealed to the youth the man is the original killer, who still happens to be alive as an old man, and his secret trigger to the heinous act is re-kindled. They probably never thought he could still be alive at an old age, yet we know killers tend to return to their scenes to process what happened. His identity remains a mystery, never knowing whether it was Nils or someone else... and Mikael Gabriel is (once again) the sole survivor, but even the audience won't understand whether he was innocent or not, especially as his appearance reflects a criminal yet his eyes reflect sincerity.

 

[(__Joonas__)]

I have question.

How many fans do you think would be thrilled, if COB announced: "next album will be ultra fast, each song has unison solos, sound is very dark, riffs sound actually evil this time, but songs only last about 3 minutes each and in between there's always an atmospheric passage."

This would crystallize the true sound of COB, without them having to come up with unusually much idea material in itself, just squeeze it tighter with a perfect soundworld, this way it would be energetic instead of snore fest. Technically this isn't necessarily demanding anything more, just different approach and mentality.

 

[ESA1996]

I have question.

How many fans do you think would be thrilled, if COB announced: "next album will be ultra fast, each song has unison solos, sound is very dark, riffs sound actually evil this time, but songs only last about 3 minutes each and in between there's always an atmospheric passage."

This would crystallize the true sound of COB, without them having to come up with unusually much idea material in itself, just squeeze it tighter with a perfect soundworld, this way it would be energetic instead of snore fest. Technically this isn't necessarily demanding anything more, just different approach and mentality.

The fanboys would most likely be thrilled by anything they say/release. I would probably be quite interested in what they have to offer if they described it with ultra fast, unison solos etc.

 

[(__Joonas__)]

Maybe average song duration of 3:20. Can always stretch parts that are fast and moody. Vocals also need different approach, more creativity, more passion. I'd like it to sound like a killer is definitely on the loose and he'll come out of the shadows any second to stab someone in the back. The whole feeling should be changed to what it should be, just all around more tight, claustrophobic and eerie with some epic instrumental acrobatics in the midst. I want an album that would make any Satan worshipping crackhead get amazed despite all the darkness and all the melodies and beats he's heard before.

 

[(__Joonas__)]

iPot, where are you you pot smoking weed munching nig-ger, I need some sophisticated elaboration on why COB never listens to their fans yet Cradle of Filth are directly asking their fanzine for ideas on their next album's direction. Come to think of it, I think they must've taken mine, will see, they said some of them were interesting. Now obviously Laiho already stated it sounds fake to try something that doesn't come with heart, but what might possibly be more important to him now than lurking around this forum memorizing my deep ideas...

 

[ESA1996]

iPot, where are you you pot smoking weed munching nig-ger, I need some sophisticated elaboration on why COB never listens to their fans yet Cradle of Filth are directly asking their fanzine for ideas on their next album's direction. Come to think of it, I think they must've taken mine, will see, they said some of them were interesting. Now obviously Laiho already stated it sounds fake to try something that doesn't come with heart, but what might possibly be more important to him now than lurking around this forum memorizing my deep ideas...

Really? Damn. Never heard of anyone doing that before. Also, about composing stuff: as long as you stay in your own style it won't sound fake. Doesn't matter whether you create melodies or riffs as long as the style is right. If I began making black metal or folk metal (On purpose that is. I still occasionally accidentally create stuff that sounds folk-ish or black-ish that isn't forced) it would sound fake as my normal style is probably closest to a mix of melodic death metal and power metal, but if I just start making a melody without trying to make it sound like anything it won't sound "fake". So basically choosing to do a folk metal album and then a neo-classical one and then a black metal one won't result in anything good as those genre switches would be forced, but choosing to do a melodic album, then a more riff oriented one and then another melodic one most likely would work. As long as one doesn't force the riffs and melodies into any certain genre it'll work.

 

[(__Joonas__)]

A new idea I just had is Bodom should make a very long melody for one of the songs. To the middle of the song, it should last 1:30, like a slow solo type of melody section that flows aetherically, with a pulsating beat in the background. Epic pitch changes, echoes, you should be able to memorize and rhyme it from start to finish.

 

[(__Joonas__)]

Now I figured...

The Prayer for the Afflicted melody section belongs right after an intense high pitch solo and rapid drumming, serving as a chilly 'feel' melody that is resurrected by some cleverly organized drum beats some seconds after the solo climax fades away. This kind of thing would be a nice twist, instead of going for vocals. Melodies with emotions speak more words than lyrics do.

 

[Johnny_victor]

"An atmosphere (from Greek ἀτμός (atmos), meaning "vapour", and σφαῖρα (sphaira), meaning "sphere"[1][2]) is a layer of gases surrounding a planet or other material body, that is held in place by the gravity of that body. An atmosphere is more likely to be retained if its gravity is high and the atmosphere's temperature is low."

This is a quote from Wikipedia. It means, a layer of emotion surrounding a chorus or other part of song, that is held in place by the performance of that body. An atmosphere is more likely to be retained if it's performance is high and the atmosphere's feeling is low.

Which suggests, that the way you phrase a certain melody makes it atmospheric, but only if the notes have a right balance between them. About low feeling, it shows that it shouldn't be overplayed, nothing that has too many notes in weird order can sound atmospheric (many types of jazz are good example). It's just gonna be boring. The performance, sound quallity, the quallity of playing live - this has to be high. It has to be better live than on official release.Emotion, feel + right choice and order of notes/chords + a fitting, skilled playing of that idea = atmospheric song. Oh, and about temperature, it should be low, like the original definition says. If you play metal in California, it's gonna sound like the thrash scene from that area, like Slayer, which we kinda saw already. Dark, filthy, energetic yet melodic and inspiring stuff comes from the eternal solitude of northern winter.