the pro tools back lash
- Thread starter Andy Sneap
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Question here OT:
What if you edit triggered kick, snare & toms and the original mishits still leak on the overheads? Drummer doesn't want me to edit the cymbals, but if you turn up HF on the OH to get the cymbals shine the attacks of the original kick & snare bleed trough.. Tomfills in the OH can be silenced, but that also cuts off the release of the crashhits before the fill starts.. The triggers sounds great (Slate samples), when I mix in the OH I get flamattacks all the time..
If I just could replace the crashes... %$!#
What if you edit triggered kick, snare & toms and the original mishits still leak on the overheads? Drummer doesn't want me to edit the cymbals, but if you turn up HF on the OH to get the cymbals shine the attacks of the original kick & snare bleed trough.. Tomfills in the OH can be silenced, but that also cuts off the release of the crashhits before the fill starts.. The triggers sounds great (Slate samples), when I mix in the OH I get flamattacks all the time..
If I just could replace the crashes... %$!#
LSD-Studio
HCAF crusher
you must not edit snare/toms separately, always edit all the tracks at once (incl OH)
I seriously harm the cymbals that way... And the kick/toms/snare were pads, but still the hits are heard on the OH.. The guy hits hard, I'll talk with him again.
Does PT has a solution for this? If so, time to switch..
Ermz
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i was mentioning those to Ermin (Moonlapse), not you Andy,
Well... +1 to what Andy said
. Nah, thank you for the suggestion, though I'm well aware of that functionality as well. As was said, sometimes the 'feel' of the drummer is not something I want to retain, so it becomes a battle of what to edit and where. In an ideal world I avoid BD altogether (been lucky enough to get away with this ONCE in 4 years... sweet) and just edit large takes together. Not many metal drummers that can pull that shiz off down here though. It's almost always a much better 'feel' after I've had at the drum tracks with the hacksaw for a few hours.@Mulder: I have to agree with LSD here, you want to be editing all the drum tracks together. The only case I've found where I could get away with editing individuals is metal kicks where you don't expect very much kick bleed from the OHs and/or room mics at all. So much snare and tom tone comes from the actual overheads, I can't imagine not editing them with the direct tracks.
Thanks for your experience, I'll guess this will add some weight to leverage the drummer's opinion. I thought I could get away with pads.. Well, perfect triggerhits fer sure, but the cymbals also have to be replaced.
He does the editing himself on his laptop, love those drummers.
set myself up for that one,
i've been lucky to record some really good drummers of late though... Mike Heller, who played on the SWWAATS album comes to mind.
and yeah Mulder.. you can get away with moving kicks independently, but everything else should be grouped and moved together... i really, really really hate it when i get sent tracks to mix and the snare has been shifted from it's image in the Overheads.... terrible.
..so I suggested "lets use pads". Slate's samples on it sounds great. But a padhit bleeds too on the OH. Well, live & learn...
Ermz
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Wasn't there a fashion going around where people tracked cymbals separately to the drums? You could try that if the bleed and/or drummer are causing too many issues for you.
xFkx
gain induction
Oh yeah, that's my wish since forever, but drummers tend to have some sort of windows blue screen of death when faced with recording stuff like that
That's my problem too. I've suggested to make a samplebank of all his cymbals, and use some steep HPF eq'ing on a bounced OH to be able to see on screen exactly where he hits and replace everything. When done it sounds great, but like you said, BSOD.
if you want to go that route mulder, try mesh heads. Tho you should group the top of the kit when editing.
Gustavo_Loureiro
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So when you edit a sloppy (soundreplaced) snare you move the OH & hihat too.. Crossfades keeps you out of trouble when crashes/hats are still ringing?
Or does Elastic Time offers a solution?
...why I like doing everything with pads & samples. Eats up a lot of time (and tracks, you can have direct, OH and room per kitpiece) but the endresult is always fully editable. And if they don't violently need to use their own kit Slate's samples are a few clicks away.
Story of my life as well. However, on occasion, I've gone through and tightened up everything, only to realize that only the bridge needed it, and the rest was ruining the song. Goes both ways I guess, but usually the way you stated.
so hey andy, if i get a band of dudes to come in and track an album live, will you cut us a deal?
