the pro tools back lash
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noarin
Producer / Engineer
- Apr 16, 2006
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MetalJonesy
more metal, more booze!!!
pifos_2
des scoubidoubidous wha !
the bastards, Andy knows better than anyone that Ascendancy would have sound like shit without their so-called digital tricks.
they dont even understand what reaming is, for sure. dumbasses.
they dont even understand what reaming is, for sure. dumbasses.
Jaymz
Stymphalian Productions
True, however they are a good example of this attitude. Their drums have Slate all over 'em!!
Would the toms on Ascendency be THAT bad without samples?
I always try to explain that a liveconcert is completely different from canned music. Live there's a lot of adrenaline, beer, fun & stuff. And its loud, so you listen with your guts, provoking some nice primal instincts.
Canned music is beeing played over and over again, and the magic should last at least 25 repeats. Try to listen that many times to a sloppy liveconcert on your iPod, it won't last. Canned music should have the same adrenaline, but without the sloppiness. That needs a different approach than a lifeconcert.
Rehearsing for a recordingsession is rehearsing with a recorder, and listen were stuff goes wrong, finding solutions for that.
With the worldpopulation consuming for over 50+ years of canned music one should expect the pros to understand that.
Canned music is beeing played over and over again, and the magic should last at least 25 repeats. Try to listen that many times to a sloppy liveconcert on your iPod, it won't last. Canned music should have the same adrenaline, but without the sloppiness. That needs a different approach than a lifeconcert.
Rehearsing for a recordingsession is rehearsing with a recorder, and listen were stuff goes wrong, finding solutions for that.
With the worldpopulation consuming for over 50+ years of canned music one should expect the pros to understand that.
midget donkeys
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I can't possibly think of a reason Trivium would bash the sound quality of their old records. It doesn't seam to be good business sense, since it could turn off future fans from buying those albums. Plus from what I have heard of their stuff in the past it was produced perfectly.
Maybe they are really mad about something else. Andy did you sleep with their sisters?
Maybe they are really mad about something else. Andy did you sleep with their sisters?
Chryst Krispies
Vanilla Gorilla
Wow, Trivium is officially full of shit.Hahah.
I'll bet Matt NEVER used Autotune on Shogun (EYE ROLLZ). And what the fuck is with that video???? When he's saying they didn't do any copy/paste shit, They show a screenshot of some COPY/PASTING!!!
WoW. Matt and the fellas LIVE INSIDE THE BULLSHITZ.
I'll bet Matt NEVER used Autotune on Shogun (EYE ROLLZ). And what the fuck is with that video???? When he's saying they didn't do any copy/paste shit, They show a screenshot of some COPY/PASTING!!!
WoW. Matt and the fellas LIVE INSIDE THE BULLSHITZ.
Radd
Self Portrait
Uladyne
Greg
Who the fuck is Trivium anyway? Seriously. Who the fuck are they?
They sound generic as fuck, and I'm sure they owe a very large portion of of their success to the fact that they've had Andy's name printed on their liner notes.
And whats with those fake ass sounding triggers they use live? It seems like they want to convince everyone that their drummer doesn't have the endurance to actually slam the beater into the head and instead just taps away like a tap dancer on some Axis pedals with E-kits (Does anyone know if he uses these? That would be funny if it were actually true).
And with how generic their music sounds, they should actually be using drum loops and guitar samples from Ride The Lighting or some shit to get the sound they must be after.
Sorry for ranting. God I just fucking hate that cliche generic "remember how cool metallica used to be" shit.
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They sound generic as fuck, and I'm sure they owe a very large portion of of their success to the fact that they've had Andy's name printed on their liner notes.
And whats with those fake ass sounding triggers they use live? It seems like they want to convince everyone that their drummer doesn't have the endurance to actually slam the beater into the head and instead just taps away like a tap dancer on some Axis pedals with E-kits (Does anyone know if he uses these? That would be funny if it were actually true).
And with how generic their music sounds, they should actually be using drum loops and guitar samples from Ride The Lighting or some shit to get the sound they must be after.
Sorry for ranting. God I just fucking hate that cliche generic "remember how cool metallica used to be" shit.
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Jaymz
Stymphalian Productions
Who the fuck is Trivium anyway? Seriously. Who the fuck are they?
They sound generic as fuck, and I'm sure they owe a very large portion of of their success to the fact that they've had Andy's name printed on their liner notes.
And whats with those fake ass sounding triggers they use live? It seems like they want to convince everyone that their drummer doesn't have the endurance to actually slam the beater into the head and instead just taps away like a tap dancer on some Axis pedals with E-kits (Does anyone know if he uses these? That would be funny if it were actually true).
And with how generic their music sounds, they should actually be using drum loops and guitar samples from Ride The Lighting or some shit to get the sound they must be after.
Sorry for ranting. God I just fucking hate that cliche generic "remember how cool metallica used to be" shit.
Quoted for truth! I actually preferred their "growled verse/clean chorus" generic metalcore stylings, and from ME that's saying something!
(of course, "preferred" doesn't necessarily mean "enjoyed" )Hahahahaha, hear hear
And on-topic, that's really interesting to hear, Andy, and makes a lot of sense that you have to do the accursed "digital tricks" because of the unpreparedness of the band; not like the band would ever admit that, though, so I can also totally see how producers like you have to take the blame for it!
How come you didn't just play it yourself man? I mean, I would think the label would totally be behind that so they could pressure the bassist to agree if he wasn't willing, and I thought that kinda stuff happened all the time (hearing that Nikki Sixx is rarely if ever actually playing on the old Motley Crue albums, for example, not to mention all the times one guitarist plays all the rhythm guitar parts these days).
Glenn Fricker
Very Metal &Very Bad News
Those are the guys I usually throw out of the studio. "Come see me when you're ready" is what I'll tell them. I'm not going to speculate about your circumstances, but you have my sympathies. I fucking hate days like that!
Chryst Krispies
Vanilla Gorilla
Once I had a bassplayer that couldn't master a riff. After an hour I asked him to play it slowly. I cut the riff up in samples in my kurzweil, played it with a grin and watched his face.
The next morning he could play it.
