The what's going on in Thrash thread

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Apparently Judas Priest are releasing a mobile game today. I know it will be better than Ed Hunter ever was but given the Iron Maiden game that came out last year I'm not sure I'll be rushing to download it.

I haven't played any of them. I'm addicted to Mad Max for the PS4 right now lol

 

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We didn't have cable back then, even now I don't think any of our pay tv channels have a metal channel, but we do have a 24 hour country music channel. We do have one Saturday night/Sunday morning show that often gets touring artists to program it from 11pm until 5am. It's not as interesting recording it these days as all the stuff is on the net but hearing that a touring band was going to play 6 hours of their favouritemusic used to be worth watching.

I never followed Pantera but I seem to remember seeing pics of them in make up in the very early days which made me think they weren't much of a band. That BS white power speech Phil made recently was the nail in his coffin for me. He made a worse rant on stage in Sydney when he toured about 6 years ago when he thought the microphones were off, the biggest problem was that it wasn't prompted by anything he just went off on the tangent. I don't care what people believe in themselves but start preaching it and telling other people they should agree simply because they are a star is a joke. I've listened to a few Pantera albums but never in full and I wouldn't buy them.

 

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Sigh. Metal always gets shafted. Stupid country music that isn't really even country anymore.

They were, I think they were really pretty fucking lame and glammy. Then they got Phil and did a couple Power Metal albums. I think two? maybe only one and it was called Power Metal and they were still a little big haired. And then they did Cowboys from hell which is a thrash album but with Phil doing a couple high notes, which can still be thrash but it seems a bit out of place. And then it's pretty much straight thrash after that.
I don't know about that white wine thing. I watched it a few times and really looks like Phil is responding to someone in the crowd. It looks sarcastic.
But honestly I don't care either way. I've seen Phil hug and kiss black friends he has on the cheek and say he loves them. That to me is more powerful than some drugged out or drunken words. A real racist isn't going to kiss a black friend, or have one. They just aren't.

I had to add to this because I just read an interview with Vinnie Paul. He's come to the conclusion that Vulgar Display Of Power is a groundbreaking album. As a teen who heard it new it was just another good thrash album to me. Only with really good production.

 

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What's country music if it's not country? Our country music scene isn't like America, it's smaller and there is less of the 'crossover' stuff that America seemed to get but like our pub music scene it's different to other countries. The big US artists can still sell shows here but most of our local bands are willing to travel 2 hours and play a gig for 1000 people then do it tomorrow and the next day, country acts are willing to travel into remote areas and play gigs for 300 people. It' a big country and bands willing to travel to the fans will always be better accepted, it's a huge reason why pub music was huge and metal wasn't, all the metal bands wanted to be megastars and the only ones that stood the test of time were those that broke in Germany etc.

Cowboys was thrash? I always thought Vulgar as the closest thing they ever got to trash. Phil's speech in Sydney was straight out racist, and straight out hate, and when it broke here on one of our local stations while Phil was here he tried to have it silenced. No apologies but he then refused to do any interview for the rest of the tour and hasn't been back since. He might have thought he was sorry and made a speech to say so last year but he's got form and those who were at the Sydney gig were not surprised to hear it happen again last year. He lost a lot of fans on that tour and is a big reason he has never come back. I can listen to VP and Hell Yeah (although I don't own any of the CD's) and accept Dime was a good guitarist but that's as far as I can stomach Pantera. I do however accept VP's thought that the Vulgar album was a breakthrough for them it shunted them from nothing to being known worldwide as an angry heavy metal band and Phil was part of that but it's not an album that would appear in my classic collection.

 

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Country today at least here is nothing like real country. It's pop with a slide guitar and singing about Merica.

I have heard a few stories about Phil. I haven't seen any of the rants about race. And (not that it makes a big difference) I think he was whacked out on drugs around the time he was in Australia. But I'll take your word for it. I sure as hell don't think Phil is perfect. But to really be racist you have to want people at the back of the bus and not believe in equal rights and things like that. I don't really see that kind of hatred in him. But I could very well be wrong. I don't know him lol. But if he was I don't think half the people that are his friends would be. Shit Chuck Billy has some angry lyrics for white people, but I don't think he's a racist. And that's another guy Phil hugs and says he loves.
But like I said who really knows. And I'm an equal opportunity hater so i don't really care either lol

If Cowboys isn't thrash I don't know what it is then. Those are thrash time sigs to me. And people were calling them the next Metallica.
I just never saw Cowboys as anything but thrash. It was along the same lines as a lot of my other albums.

 

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There are some good guitarists in country music and I got my start in live music production in outdoor country music events so I don't hate it but I do prefer our country music to American country music.

The Phil rant in Sydney (and the concert) was on a site that only has live band performances. I don't remember the name of the site but a guy I used to know recorded every gig he went to and posted them on some site that claims recording live gigs was legal so all people should do it. Was ages ago I last went to the site because half the recording were shitty quality saved as FLAC files because FLAC is so much better. There was thousands and thousands of live gigs on the site but I can't remember the name.

I'm just not a convert to Pantera to me they were commercial try hards when they hit with Cowboys and it was 'cool' to be into them because they sang with swear words. It was fans of Rammstien who thought Pantera was cool and was going to be the next big thing in metal.

 

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Rammstien? were they even out in 1990? I've never heard that band and Pantera in the same sentence lol.
I'm not really sure how it could have been cool to like them on that album. I never even heard of them until Vulgar and then I got Cowboys.
I've never really heard of people thinking they like a metal band because it was cool to like them Except Metallica after the Black album that is. But not a more aggressive form of metal. It's grating to most people. As far as swear words, I think that's really bringing it down down to a nit pick basis where you just plain don't like the band lol. And maybe it depend on who you're hanging out with sometimes. I know I first didn't like slayer because it looked like it was just a bunch of idiots running around punching things and shouting Slayyyyer! lol
I liked Pantera because Dime wrote killer solos and rhythms the drums were loud and cool and the whole thing just very aggressive.
And like many thrash bands they had a good sense of melody. I think Pantera sometimes gets shit because where most thrash bands would go neo classical they went kind of Southern rock and now people blame them for something called bro metal lol

 

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Rammstien, Pantera, Metallica's black album, grunge, all those were getting mainstream success in this country in the 90's and the teenagers all jumped on the band wagon that wasn't pop. Metallica were obviously different they had a fan base that were pissed off with AJFA and even more so with the black album but they still went to the concerts and sold out 60,000 seat arenas but the rest were struggling to fill 1000 seat arenas because their fan base was mostly angsty teenagers that couldn't afford the high price of tickets but loved to be angry at the world. (Today it's screamo and the post rock bands that sing about depression and break ups that fit the bill).

Pantera's gigs here for Vulgar were in 1000 capacity venues that weren't sold out, Morbid Angel in 93 sold 3500 tickets in one venue, even Suicidal and Alice In Chains that virtually no one had heard of here and didn't have a hope of being in the top 40 charts like Pantera could put 2000 people in a club. Bands that played smaller venues were also accessible. Plenty of concert goers got to sit in a bar with the boys from Fight, Morbid Angel, Maiden, ST, even Metallica had a meet and greet (although theirs was invite only), but bands like Pantera came in, did a 40 min set and disappeared. I heard an interview done on one of metal radio shows a few years ago with Vinnie and he was open with the fact that their Aussie tour for Vulgar as a disaster because management and Phil refused to let them do so much with the fans. Money talks, bullshit walks, Pantera walked and while they have fans in this country they don't have anywhere near as many as they could have had, if they hadn't screwed themselves on that first tour.

 

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But it isn't metals ranks usually filled with angsty teenagers? It's the ones that stay that aren't the posers. But I think Pantera did have a built in fan base and that was thrash fans, at least here. That's why it seems so foreign to me to have Rammstien and Pantera together. I put Rammstien in with the industrial crown. the Ministry and Nine Inch Nails crowd. Not that there wasn't some crossover. But noticeably different from Pantera or other thrash bands
That's very funny at how bands can do so differently from country to country. Because you couldn't go very long without hearing Pantera on the radio here during the day.
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". I do however accept VP's thought that the Vulgar album was a breakthrough for them it shunted them from nothing to being known worldwide as an angry heavy metal band and Phil was part of that but it's not an album that would appear in my classic collection."

I'm not denying it was huge for them. But I should have been more specific. he went on to say groundbreaking to metal, not just them. To me that's insulting to bands like Testament and others who carried on putting out ass kicking music without the help of radio that Pantera had.

 

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Metal of any kind has always been about angsty teens in this country. Adults with a heavier feel did the whole Sabbath, Purple, Zeppelin thing while the kids that weren't into pop wanted angry, loud, aggressive, angsty and all forms of 'metal' fitted that bill. While bands like Rammstien and Pantera played different music the fan base was shared because it's what was on offer and you'd forever hear kids in garages playing those types of bands together. We used to have cover bands play the our Friday night sessions that would mix their with Rammstein, Panetra, Metallica etc because that's what they were listening too.

Because a lot of US and Euro bands were talked out of coming to this country in the 80's and 90's many bands missed out on a fan base that could have been theirs for the taking. It's understandable, it costs a lot of money to play 5 gigs (main cities with 10,000+ arenas) here and because of the distance bands cant do those cities 5 nights in a row so it also takes a chunk of time. That time and money is better spent on Euro festivals and venues where they can sell 50,000 tickets.

As far as VP's statement, I agree with you. Hard to deny it's not their ground breaking album but considering the work so many other bands had done before them it's hard to suggest they did much for the entire scene. The "big 4" to me is a bit of an insult too because it wasn't only those four bands that broke thrash, but they did it harder and for longer than Pantera did.

 

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I guess it all depends on where you grow up lol And what year. Sometimes especially in music a couple years can make a big difference. Maybe not as much anymore since almost everything pushed at people is either pop hip hop or rap. And none of that pushes any boundaries. It just kind of drones on year after year.

Yeah Pantera kind of came in after everyone else had busted down the door. And since they may as well have been a new band what with the style change and record label they got treated like one and got pushed much more into the spotlight with radio and Mtv. It's not their fault but at the same time lets not over inflate history lol.
There were three metal bands on the radio where I lived. Metallica, Megadeth and Pantera. Coincidently the three biggest metal bands of the time...Metallica and I suppose Megadeth still being in there. Speaking of biggest bands. Isn't that the reason the Big 4 are the Big 4 because they sold the most records at the time. Not necessarily because they invented it alone.

 

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We've always been pretty self sufficient here because of the lack of smaller bands to tour. The 70's and 80's were a pub rock scene where bands put more energy on stage than many of today's metal performers, it was loud and dirty, the riffs would rip you apart and the drums would shake the foundations. Bands like AC/DC cut their teeth here then moved on but the bands that didn't built up big enough followings that they never had to work real jobs in their life and many are still going. Some went to the US and realised that the US market wasn't interested then some went to Europe and found mild success. But the only ones who ever succeeded here were the ones that put in the effort to go to the crowds. Many metal bands that came from overseas figured they deserved an Australian audience because they had a fan base in the US or Europe but unless they were huge bands like Metallica or GNR etc fans wanted them to prove themselves, too many didn't. When the internet came about many people gave up on touring bands because too any refused to come here, then we got The Big Day Out, which started our run of festivals, then a few years when that became shitty pop bands and dance music came Soundwave which lasted a few years until AJ was found to be ripping off all the artists and not actually paying them and now festivals and big metal gigs are back like they were in the 90's. We gets bands like Hammerfall playing night club gigs here to 1000 people but it's only really big bands that keep coming back year after year. Interestingly enough even before Alestorm were big worldwide they were huge here because they came here for Scotland and worked the scene, by the time their live CD/DVD was released it was recorded here because they crowds were the best they had on that tour.

I don't even remember now why the Big 4 were the Big 4. I do remember at the time having people say bands like Testament should have been included in the list which obviously they couldn't be if it could only be 4 but I'm sure there are many many more factors than just those four bands named that made thrash what it is.

 

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As far as I've grown up knowing it's simply because Metallica, Slayer Anthrax and Megadeth were the most well known and sold the most albums out of the genre.

Well it's nice you had a good rock scene, sounds like it was a bunch of fun. Maybe you can sell a screenplay to Netflix!
We are kind of in the same boat where I am. A lot of bands skip us and it sucks lol. Right Neptune?!

....what's an Alestorm? sounds like an alcohol fueled act of nature.

I'm out! this laptop is hot!

 

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I guess in being the most known and selling the most is a reasonable reason for being in the top four but there is no way that they were the only bands that made the scene.

Our rock scene was pretty savage at times. Bands like Rose Tattoo, who GNR insisted reform for their 92 tour, used to play loud and the little bald lead singer used to head butt the amps until his head was bleeding, he was doing that back in the mid 70's. If you've ever seen AC/DC do For Those About To Rock live and felt the cannon blasts rock the foundations of an arena that's what bands in this country were doing with rock music in the 70's and 80's.

Alestorm are a pirate metal band. Straight out fun, booze, pirates, silliness and high energy. Their live shows have more energy than nearly every other band I have ever seen.

Hot laptop = hot balls, no thanks

 

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I guess in being the most known and selling the most is a reasonable reason for being in the top four but there is no way that they were the only bands that made the scene.

Our rock scene was pretty savage at times. Bands like Rose Tattoo, who GNR insisted reform for their 92 tour, used to play loud and the little bald lead singer used to head butt the amps until his head was bleeding, he was doing that back in the mid 70's. If you've ever seen AC/DC do For Those About To Rock live and felt the cannon blasts rock the foundations of an arena that's what bands in this country were doing with rock music in the 70's and 80's.

Alestorm are a pirate metal band. Straight out fun, booze, pirates, silliness and high energy. Their live shows have more energy than nearly every other band I have ever seen.

Hot laptop = hot balls, no thanks

To all their credit I have never ever heard any of them say it was all them. Every one of them has been quick to name other bands that was on the scene

I guess in country where everything can kill you the bands have to extreme shit to keep that crowd lol. Seriously though it sounds like a blast..ahem. I just can't be serious I leave that for my music. Yes GNR is pretty obsessed with Rose Tattoo, them and the NY Dolls.
I've never seen AC/DC live but that cannon part is still awesome on dvd!

Pirate Metal huh? Are there other bands in this genre?

I'm a trained professional, I had it on my knees lol. Still fuckin hot!

 

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you beat me to it!

 

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http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/video-premiere-the-haunteds-spark/

 

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I guess in country where everything can kill you the bands have to extreme shit to keep that crowd lol. Seriously though it sounds like a blast..ahem. I just can't be serious I leave that for my music. Yes GNR is pretty obsessed with Rose Tattoo, them and the NY Dolls.
I've never seen AC/DC live but that cannon part is still awesome on dvd!

Haha everything kills us we all drink Fosters and talk like Crocodile Dundee...oh and we all ride kangaroos to school, thats us!

AC/DC live is still a darn good show, but they are a bit the same same after all these years.

Pirate Metal huh? Are there other bands in this genre?

Quite a few really, Running Wild are the obvious ones, then there are some that are extreme and cross over a bit into death metal growls but to me Alestorm is fun because you can hear the silly lyrics. I mean who doesn't want to listen to a song titled Fucked By An Anchor....ok the song isn't that great but its fucking catchy. They also released a bonus disc this year of all their latest album sung by dogs. It's just fun and silliness and they put on a great live show in small venues.

I'm a trained professional, I had it on my knees lol. Still fuckin hot!

I know the feeling, I've been selling, building and repairing computers for 25 years and until this time last year I couldn't run my home laptop without three fans under it because it would overheat and I couldn't be bothered fixing it


Tau Cross is out today, might have to give it a listen to see if it's worth buying. Also just had a quick listen to Shattered Sun, sounds like it could be worth listening too and it appears the entire album is on the youtube link here.

 

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Oh crap I just looked up Shattered Sun on wiki, while Metal Injection calls them thrash and the video does definitely have some of those elements wiki says they are also metal core. I might have to run away!!