The what's going on in Thrash thread

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I like Frankie, and I feel as much for him as I do for anyone who had a shitty up bringing, I don't even have issue with him finding a soul mate in James and telling people that. But between Scott, Charlie and now Frankie pretty much every article, every interview, every live show they've done for the past 6 months has included some mention of the Big 4 and Metallica. They rarely, if ever talk about Megadeth or Slayer, only Metallica, and now, bad journalism or not, Frankie is giving James all the credit for the Big 4. The Big 4 gig didn't happen because of the niceness of one person or one band, it was all 4 of them. If anything the Big 4 happening had more to do with Ulrich and Mustaine pulling their fat egos in then it had to do with James, who from what history tells us was probably wasted 90% of the time anyway.

As much as I liked Kings it certainly wouldn't be my highest ranking big 4 release of the last 20 years.

Great points. I think it shows that Anthrax needs Metallica more than Metallica needs Anthrax. How friendly are Anthrax and Megadeth? Have they done any tours with each other recently? I think Anthrax supported Slayer on a leg of the farewell tour so I assume there is some respect/friendship between them.

Worship Music is stronger than Kings, but For All Kings was my top release of 2016. The back half of that album from Evil Twin through Zero Tolerance is nothing but headbangers!

 

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How friendly is anyone with Dave?
I don't know of any specific disagreements with the two camps but I also don't think they've toured together in a long time, but lets face it Dave's not known for taking good bands out with him and on a good night Anthrax could wipe Megadeth off the stage with a full set.

Anthrax did support Slayer as third fiddle (Behemoth was second for most shows) and while I don't know of any disagreements there I don't remember any of Anthrax kissing up to Slayer like they have Metallica. Not sure if it's the same gig Frankie was talking about, but there was a recent Anthrax gig released where they were playing mid tier to Metallica headlining and in their 40 odd minute set Joey mentioned the Big 4 and Metallica about 5 times, it was nearly fanboing

For me Worship was okay, I even liked the final hurrah with Bush but Kings was better. However for me at best Kings would still only be on par with Dystopia and Repentless. Although I do realise that rating anything Slayer did in the last 20 years higher than Taylor Swift Sings Your Favourite Lullabys is a bit of a contentious issue on many forums and some people get really angry when others don't hate Slayer too.

 

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Although I do realise that rating anything Slayer did in the last 20 years higher than Taylor Swift Sings Your Favourite Lullabys is a bit of a contentious issue on many forums and some people get really angry when others don't hate Slayer too.

Slayer's releases in the last 20 years have all been mediocre.
God Hates Us All > Christ Illusion> Repentless > World Painted Blood

Worship Music and For All Kings are still heavy in the rotation for me when I want an Anthrax fix, I can't say the same for Slayer's recent output.

 

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I love the fact that some many people range from mild dislike to outright hatred for anything Slayer since God Hates Us All. Some people are really adamant that Slayer sold out and went weak, I'm really adamant at laughing at those people for my own amusement, but I am easily amused.

I would have listened to WCFYA more recently than Kings or Worship, but then I've also listened to everything up to White Noise more recently that the most recent ones.

 

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God Hates Us All is underrated by many metal fans and Slayer fans. It will never eclipse any of their albums from the 80s but it has some brutal, fast, aggressive songs. God Send Death, Here Comes The Pain, Cast Down, Bloodline, and Warzone are all great songs.

A guy that I used to teach with, who was quite a bit older than me, and who had actually attended metal shows during height of thrash metal popularity back in the 80s, told me about a decade ago that he considered God Hates Us All the last classic album from the Big 4.

 

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For me a classic album is classic because it stands the test of time but anything younger than God Hates Us All really hasn't been around long enough for me to consider classic. In another 10 years or so I don't know whether I'll start considering albums from the 00's classics, but for me they just haven't been around long enough at the moment.

But then my other thought is if I listened to GHUA, Kings, Dystopia, or even something by Metallica for the first time with the same ears I heard Show No Mercy, Kill 'em All, Killing is my Business with in the 80's what would my reaction be? I know I am more cynical now days, I'm definitely older, and I don't get the chance to sit down and absorb music like I used to, or see it live. Does that change how I rate an album today? It has too. The classic debuts of the Big 3 (Anthrax's debut does not deserve to be listed because it's shit!) will always be on high rotation and they are genre defining albums. But can I really judge new music the same way I judged the originals, I don't think so.

There is also local bands from the early to mid 80's which I saw and worked with who for me have releases and especially live shows as good or better than noted bands of the day, but I do know that's mostly nostalgia talking because I was there and witnessed it. We'd rock up to a show with Hobbs Angel Of Death, or Armoured Angel, or Lightforce (before they became Mortification) and a crowd of 1500 people would be stage diving, the crowd all supported each other, the music would be thumping and it's music we knew because it was part of our scene. Not every night was a killer night but those that were are unforgettable. But to the grumpy old man I am now even I can look at some of that old footage and see why others would only consider it a mediocre gig.

 

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https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/a...ng-big-four-shows-they-didnt-have-to-do-that/

Geezus I understand he's thankful for many things but this Metallica ass kissing needs to stop. Anthrax are making themselves look like dicks these days as they scramble to try and remind people the were once something.

Although to be fair this was from an article published months ago, if the story was published when it happened it would be almost forgotten by now.

Yeah those were my thoughts as well. Kind of disgusted by them all at this point.. Because the other 3 bands have all toured together and done shows. But whoa. Wait a second. Add Metallica?! Oh lets make a huge deal out of it. Are they so thankful just because it's Metallica or because it made them extra money? I'm leaning toward the simple fact of money. So then to me it's more like. Oh thank you for making us more money Metallica! We love you so much!
Thank you Metallica for throwing us a bone! Nothing else we do means anything! Oh Metallica! You did such a wonderful thing. Please take us out again!
They've been saying this shit for years now.
Biggest ass kissers in metal history. Pathetic.
It's too much. Charlie,Scott and now Frankie.

 

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The thing is if Anthrax got out of their slump, played some of the heavier stuff between Spreading and Persistence and threw in a few songs from their last few albums they'd be a good match for a Megadeth show, but not for a Metallica show. Like them or not Metallica has grown beyond what they were and Anthrax as a support act would not fit much of their crowd.

I'm torn between ass kissing for a free bone and ass kissing to try and remind people they are still relevant. With no album, no new songs and not even a promise of something from them for the foreseeable future I think they need to do all they can to remain relevant and have people remember them.

 

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Alestorm have just announced a further three record deal with Napalm and they are heading into the studio today to start writing their 7th album. They are going to call the album Seventh Rum Of A Seventh Rum. Part of me hopes they aren't going to just cover the song with changed words, but part of me thinks "just go for it and be as silly as you can be!"

 

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The thing is if Anthrax got out of their slump, played some of the heavier stuff between Spreading and Persistence and threw in a few songs from their last few albums they'd be a good match for a Megadeth show, but not for a Metallica show. Like them or not Metallica has grown beyond what they were and Anthrax as a support act would not fit much of their crowd.

I'm torn between ass kissing for a free bone and ass kissing to try and remind people they are still relevant. With no album, no new songs and not even a promise of something from them for the foreseeable future I think they need to do all they can to remain relevant and have people remember them.

Sure I mean no one comes close to the money making machine that is Metallica. It's been what? 11 years since the Big 4 shows? I doubt it helped Anthrax sales very much except possibly right after. So it really is just them groveling for a pay day. I have no doubt if Anthrax did the things you say they could equal a Megadeth show. Their shows actually have energy. It's just the set list.
Yeah. I don't think a lot of soccer mom's are Anthrax fans.

You know how a lot of people say that certain bands that put out albums aren't real albums because of the line up? Like Slayer for instance.
I would say that The Black album isn't a real Metallica album. Not because of the style or the line up. It's way worse than that. After watching that outtakes video it really hit home. They had massive help every single step of the way. From the sounds of the instruments to phrasing. Even to lyrics. Hell even solos and bass parts and tempos. they were told,yes,no. Do this, not that. They had so many outside people dishing on this that there is absolutely no way in hell that Metallica could have pulled this off on their own. None. They're like 50% on that album.
Yet they are treated like geniuses for it. I guess one could say that they are because they were smart enough to hire those people. But I'm not one of them.
At what point is an album not one's own? The Black album. I don't think anyone in Rock or Metal has ever had that much outside help.Zero respect for it.

 

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Alestorm have just announced a further three record deal with Napalm and they are heading into the studio today to start writing their 7th album. They are going to call the album Seventh Rum Of A Seventh Rum. Part of me hopes they aren't going to just cover the song with changed words, but part of me thinks "just go for it and be as silly as you can be!"

If you're going to have a niche you might as well use it!

 

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Sure I mean no one comes close to the money making machine that is Metallica. It's been what? 11 years since the Big 4 shows? I doubt it helped Anthrax sales very much except possibly right after. So it really is just them groveling for a pay day. I have no doubt if Anthrax did the things you say they could equal a Megadeth show. Their shows actually have energy. It's just the set list.
Yeah. I don't think a lot of soccer mom's are Anthrax fans.

You know how a lot of people say that certain bands that put out albums aren't real albums because of the line up? Like Slayer for instance.
I would say that The Black album isn't a real Metallica album. Not because of the style or the line up. It's way worse than that. After watching that outtakes video it really hit home. They had massive help every single step of the way. From the sounds of the instruments to phrasing. Even to lyrics. Hell even solos and bass parts and tempos. they were told,yes,no. Do this, not that. They had so many outside people dishing on this that there is absolutely no way in hell that Metallica could have pulled this off on their own. None. They're like 50% on that album.
Yet they are treated like geniuses for it. I guess one could say that they are because they were smart enough to hire those people. But I'm not one of them.
At what point is an album not one's own? The Black album. I don't think anyone on Rock or Metal has ever had that much outside help.Zero respect for it.

Hehe soccer mums.Scott might like a few soccer mum rejects from Lars

Weren't the band referring to Bob Rock as their 5th member around that time? But you're right the black album was manufactured to be a success. They hired someone who had massive prior success, someone who had changed other bands he'd worked with, and someone who knew what sold enough to get on the charts. Once they had him in the room it was pretty much just follow the leader and do as he says. Whether Slayer had Hennamen or Holt, Lombardo or Bost(fuck I can't spell his name), it's still Slayer, even when fans don't like it, but the black album was a complete change done seeking commercial success.

 

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If you're going to have a niche you might as well use it!

Well they never said they'd grow up and be sensible

 

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Hehe soccer mums.Scott might like a few soccer mum rejects from Lars

Weren't the band referring to Bob Rock as their 5th member around that time? But you're right the black album was manufactured to be a success. They hired someone who had massive prior success, someone who had changed other bands he'd worked with, and someone who knew what sold enough to get on the charts. Once they had him in the room it was pretty much just follow the leader and do as he says. Whether Slayer had Hennamen or Holt, Lombardo or Bost(fuck I can't spell his name), it's still Slayer, even when fans don't like it, but the black album was a complete change done seeking commercial success.

They can wrap up in that squirrel on his chin .

Yeah Rock for sure. But what really drove it home was that it wasn't just Rock, there are a lot of scenes where his assistant with the man bun had just as much sway. And was also telling Metallica what to play or sing and how to do it. Some others too. They were like swaddled babies in that studio. They barely had a real thought that made it pure to the album.

 

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Well they never said they'd grow up and be sensible

Very true! Salute!

 

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They can wrap up in that squirrel on his chin .

Yeah Rock for sure. But what really drove it home was that it wasn't just Rock, there are a lot of scenes where his assistant with the man bun had just as much sway. And was also telling Metallica what to play or sing and how to do it. Some others too. They were like swaddled babies in that studio. They barely had a real thought that made it pure to the album.

So his chin has more nuts than he does?

Metallica the Monkees of the heavy metal world

 

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New single out on the 20th!
https://www.instagram.com/evilinvadersbe/p/CY1d-jCoCh2/?utm_medium=copy_link

 

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Yeah I've been following that, they post nearly every day about it.

 

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So I just listened to the last three Anthrax albums and although I pretty much figured taste, listening and judgement would change over time I now know it's the case for me. Since I last thought about it I would have ranked them as Kings being the best, then Worship, then WCFYA, but with today ears I'm the complete opposite. None of them are as good a their early albums but today I'd rank them as WCFYA, Worship and lastly Kings. I know some fans love to hate Bush in Anthrax but I reckon his first and last albums with the band are great efforts.

 

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So his chin has more nuts than he does?

Metallica the Monkees of the heavy metal world

Hahaha. They really are!