Thermionik Amp Modeler Plugin by Kazrog LLC
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HOFX
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The real competition would be Real amp through mic'ed cab vs Thermionik through an IR of that mic position
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Erik Monsonis
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Kazrog
Kazrog, Inc.
The real competition would be Real amp through mic'ed cab vs Thermionik through an IR of that mic position
That's something I can get around to down the road, but right now I'm very busy building the plugin itself.
In any case, Recabinet already accurately simulates miked cabinets, so there's no additional benefit to conducting a test with an actual miked cabinet, especially when considering that in blind listening tests on this and other forums, that nobody can reliably distinguish between an IR and a miked cabinet, even without speaker dynamics simulation involved. That said, just to prove beyond any doubt you guys may have that I stand behind my software 100%, I'll do a test with a miked cab as soon as time permits.
Kazrog
Kazrog, Inc.
There's already quite a lot of testers on board, but if anyone bails out I will let you know.
Kaleb Formz
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Kazrog
Kazrog, Inc.
You are, in the teaser video. I can also bounce a mix of the blind A/B song. Thanks for your patience!
Skaldir
formerly known as Unicorn
It's true that most people can't distinguish between an IR and a mic'ed cabinet, but still IR's have a very bad reputation. (Which I can't understand, because I made tests that people couldn't distinguish between myself)
What I'm interested in is, when you make you IR's with a solid state amp, how will you get the sound of the power amp section of the tube amp going? Will Thermionik have that feature?
Because (for a comparison) if you would go pre-amp out of the tube amp and then into a solid state amp that powers the cab and mic that, it's wouldn't be as real as using the tube amp's own power amp.
Kazrog
Kazrog, Inc.
It would be pretty lame to make an amp modeler without modeling the power section. No worries there, as you can hear in the a/b tests, it's the entire real amp vs. the entire simulation.
Will it be possible to enable just the power amp or the pre-amp section of an amp? Let's say i want to use LE456 as pre-amp but want to use Thermionik's power amp section, or the other way around using Thermionik's 5150 II pre-amp but with TPA-1 as the power amp.
Also is it possible to enable/disable the cab modelling? Is it different from Recabinet?
Kazrog
Kazrog, Inc.
Yes, it will be possible to selectively enable and disable the preamp, poweramp, and cabinet sections. Also, you will be able to mix and match preamps and poweramps to create hybrid amps. The cabinet modeling is Recabinet, and there will be some new IRs in the Recabinet 4 library.
Sorry to trouble you on this but im really interested in buying a new amp sim for my current project. I bought recabinet about 6 months ago from you, but just cant seem to find a good amp combination with it. Can you give me some idea of what the loyalty/upgrade price will be for us recabinet users. thanks a lot.
Kazrog
Kazrog, Inc.
Pricing and other info will be announced soon. In the mean time, I can say that it will be very affordable, as people have come to expect from me.
kev
Im guybrush threepwood
I'll check this out. From my listening before the reveal it was damn close. I went with B because it sounded a little less blanketed maybe a tiny bit more punchy on ATH-M50s. Will take another listen on the monitors tomorrow. The software has a big challenge on to beat the axe II, i like to try everything!
Kazrog,
Thermionik sounds very promising, I am one of those who wish it be every bit as good as kemper or the real thing.
Since the A/B clips are very close, I would like to ask you if you are looking into transferring all knob interactions or 1-2 specific settings ?
One more thing, regarding the new IRs for Recabinet. I have been reading (so I could be completely mistaken) that a microphone pointing at the cone will translate as edgier (more high frequency content) not because the cone produces high frequencies but because of phase interactions (high frequencies are produced earlier there). If this is true, could it be that during speaker excursion/vibration there are tiny phase differences occurring that, among other things, yield a live/natural sound - in contrast to static IRs ?
Another option could be to capture multiple IRs of the same mic placement that would alternate to reproduce whatever variables are produced that sound real/natural and not static.
In both cases it would mean that the IR loader would be constantly "working".
I might be talking complete nonsense here but I guess my question is if you will you be further (given the fact that you've incorporated the dynamics function) looking into how to produce IRs that are not static/lifeless ?
Finally, I know nothing about capturing IRs - but Is there any way to capture IRs that are as little coloured as possible ?
My apologies for the long post - please let me know if you would like to answer these through email/on your site rather than here.
Thanks,
Than
Thermionik sounds very promising, I am one of those who wish it be every bit as good as kemper or the real thing.
Since the A/B clips are very close, I would like to ask you if you are looking into transferring all knob interactions or 1-2 specific settings ?
One more thing, regarding the new IRs for Recabinet. I have been reading (so I could be completely mistaken) that a microphone pointing at the cone will translate as edgier (more high frequency content) not because the cone produces high frequencies but because of phase interactions (high frequencies are produced earlier there). If this is true, could it be that during speaker excursion/vibration there are tiny phase differences occurring that, among other things, yield a live/natural sound - in contrast to static IRs ?
Another option could be to capture multiple IRs of the same mic placement that would alternate to reproduce whatever variables are produced that sound real/natural and not static.
In both cases it would mean that the IR loader would be constantly "working".
I might be talking complete nonsense here but I guess my question is if you will you be further (given the fact that you've incorporated the dynamics function) looking into how to produce IRs that are not static/lifeless ?
Finally, I know nothing about capturing IRs - but Is there any way to capture IRs that are as little coloured as possible ?
My apologies for the long post - please let me know if you would like to answer these through email/on your site rather than here.
Thanks,
Than
Having used Recabinet exclusively for a decent amount of time, I would be shocked if A is an amp sim; I'm almost 100% positive B is the amp sim.
Kazrog
Kazrog, Inc.
It's going to be a totally perfect 1/1 ratio between the knobs in the amp sim and the knobs on the real amps I studied, but it as you know this can vary a bit between two examples of the same amp (especially with Mesas.)
Speaker excursion is already simulated by the dynamics control in Recabinet. Most modern guitar speakers move very little, actually.
That's "dynamic convolution," which sounds great in theory, but in practice is neither as accurate nor as efficient as a well informed algorithmic approach.
Not nonsense at all, these are all valid ideas and they have all been explored by various companies and schools.
The best way to capture an IR of a guitar speaker cabinet is using a solid state poweramp, preferably one that's designed for as linear response as possible.
No worries, I'm busy, but I'm happy to answer questions as time permits, wherever I'm asked.
Kazrog
Kazrog, Inc.
Well, in the second test I've posted in this thread, B is Thermionik and A is the real 5150 II.
Many of you guessed correctly this time, although I personally feel that the model is much closer overall in the second test vs. the first test. In any case, this is a work in progress, but I'm very happy with where it's at currently.
anotherpaul
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Kazrog
Kazrog, Inc.
Very sorry, I looked at the wrong text file when I posted. I've corrected the original post - B is Thermionik in the second test.
