This girl GETS IT

Ahhh think I get it, it's a discussion about the term of what is "normal", and why marking something that isn't "normal" as "ill"...though one that is

When it get's to the point of were beeing "special" is harmful for oneself or others I don't think it's something positive though
 
I find it really fucking annoying watch Oprah chasing that girl around bombarding her with questions. She needs help from a doctor, not harassment from a fucking chat show host.
 
I'd be more inclined to believe these characters she "created" in her mind are more likely voices in her head, which has nothing to do with creativity and free thinking and everything to do with having a debilitating disease.

I'm sure medical science has a pretty good handle on these things nowadays. Because by your logic bro (Gareth), Ted Bundy was just a total free spirit sticking it to the man and we're nothing but oppressive fascists for labelling him a "violent psychopath".




Now just stop for a moment. Before you want to jump on me for comparing a little girl to Ted Bundy, that's not what's happening here at all, so just don't.
 
I have experience with this
My father was diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic in 1967, 10 years before I was born. He was a brilliant man, had his degree in mathematics with a minor in physics. He was raised in a Pentecostal "fire and brimstone, talking in tongues" religious household which compounded the situation. He worked as a geophysicist in the petroleum industry when he had his "break", and it manifested in religious form.

He thought ether he was the anti-christ or the second coming of christ but couldn't figure out which. He told my mother that god told him to make a sacrifice of my older brother like the story of Abraham and Isaac in the bible, and at this moment he would know who he was. At this point he was institutionalized and was given 56 electroshock treatments over a period of 3 months. My mother, now on a anti-god kick, still stayed married to him. At the time of his release he was on Thorazine that he would continue to take for the rest of his life . He improved and then they had me. He went back to work, however had a bad interactions with his coworkers, because he always thought they were scheming ageist him, and eventually was unemployed.

My mom told me a story, that he told her, of when he would take business trips and stay in hotels. He would watch religious programing, which my mom forbid, and then would think that he was possessed and screamed in his pillow all night till he fell asleep. Disturbing stuff right? Our family stayed together through all of this until his death 4 years ago. Even-though its a hard go, we loved each-other in-spite of it. When he had one of his spells, which thank goodness were just delusions of grandeur, I couldn't reason with him, I would just have to humor him . It was mostly about how the company that he was laid off from was going to give us millions of dollars because of his inventions, which were legitimate. Of-course that never happened. Or the company was bugging our house for information that he could possibly leak.

I guess what I'm saying is that this illness is rare and because of this is the most misunderstood. It is a social nightmare for the individual, and is a terrible burden on the family, but it can be managed. Most people are not as lucky as my father to have a wife like my mother and end up on the street or dead. If you come across someone who is truly ill, compassion and understanding is the best gift you can give them and their family.
 
In this matter, there are 3 groups of people:
1: Us "normal" guys, who can only see the objective physical reality around us.
2: People with schizophrenia, who can see both realities, but can't distinguish between what is physical and what is nonphysical.
3: People who can easily tune into other realities and know what is what, they are psychics, shamans, prophets etc...
 
GarethSE said:
Probably? Definitely. I have never once denied this.

I mean, I dunno. Look. If I had a kid like this, which is why I'm not gonna have kids, cos it's more than likely and I'd be a fucking terrible parent in such a case, but look, hypothetically, if I had a kid like this, I'd get a plot of land, give him or her a bunch of fields to run through, buy her instruments, give her paint and toys and everything he or she needs to live in a state of PURE CREATION.

I know so many people that would love to be this kid, but they gotta put on a face, pretend to be normal when they're there on the edge of this world and one more akin to this child's Calalini.

Why would you keep a kid like that in a town, in an apartment, sending her to fucking psych wards? In part 2 there's that part about "your" brain and her brain. Your brain is a slow roly poly and her brain is a flap handed CRAZY DANCE, and I totally identify with that way more than being a boring old roly poly.
Seems like she wants to be free to me, but then that's exactly what I want too. So bleeurhghrhr
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Sorry dude, but this is just plain rediculous. I've been with schizofrenics before, and you have no idea what you're rambling about. There is nothing good or creative about losing track of reality. You'll figure that out when she starts stabbing herself with those paintbrushes and bites her toes off, then suddenly snaps out of her episode to find herself disfigured and dying, having no recollection of what happened.

You wouldn't believe what some of these people do to themselves, or others.
 
Mutant said:
Just remember that the scientific method can't disprove existence of such things.
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Well that's clearly enough evidence for me, I'm in.


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:P
 
Mutant said:
Just remember that the scientific method can't disprove existence of such things.
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It doesn't need to.

Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence,

The onus is on the "believers" to submit the proof, the scientific community has better things to be doing than scrambling around looking to disprove Astral Unicorn Magic or whatever the fuck sort of shite is in vogue this week.
 
Oh great, back to childhood fantasies.

Hey! Who likes my invisible magical unicorn that lives on my shoulder? What, you don't believe me? PROVE my unicorn isn't there!
 
Oh the misunderstanding...

My previous posts meaning was: without any proof telling us that it exists or doesn't exist, we must agree that the existence of such things is UNDEFINED.
So you can't say that it exists and you can't say that it doesn't exist.
Just like the existence of god and other extraordinary claims.

Get it now ?
lol
 
Mutant said:
Oh the misunderstanding...

My previous posts meaning was: without any proof telling us that it exists or doesn't exist, we must agree that the existence of such things is UNDEFINED.
So you can't say that it exists and you can't say that it doesn't exist.
Just like the existence of god and other extraordinary claims.

Get it now ?
lol
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Gotta +1 this, and as I understand it this is the foundation of the agnostic perspective, or at least is the sense in which I use it when describing my beliefs
 
SocialNumb said:
Oh great, back to childhood fantasies.

Hey! Who likes my invisible magical unicorn that lives on my shoulder? What, you don't believe me? PROVE my unicorn isn't there!
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Good example actually :)

A good scientist may say:
"The invisible unicorn may actually be there, or not. I need to go there and do an experiment ! Then i will be able to tell."
 
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