Tim Owens 10 times the singer Halford was?

[pest666]

ohh "childish behavior" I'm wounded!!


you're just another big baby who's throwing a fit because people disagree with you and your oh so precious opinion. but go ahead and tell us how mature you are as you tell us to fuck off..... and I hardly think singing in the shower makes you a singer...

 

[Ultimate_Symphony]

ohh "childish behavior" I'm wounded!!


you're just another big baby who's throwing a fit because people disagree with you and your oh so precious opinion. but go ahead and tell us how mature you are as you tell us to fuck off..... and I hardly think singing in the shower makes you a singer...

And you have the balls to talk about babys? Try harder next time.

 

[Officer Nice]

I've inserted my comments starting with the tag ">>"

-OfficerNice


Quote:
Originally Posted by OfficerNice

Thanks for posting your criteria. But you cheesed out on the
second question. I asked you, according to your criteria who's high
on the list and low on the list according to your technical whatever
since you seem to know so much, show us what you got badass
but you chickenshitted out of it. Answer the question.
You're the elitist who's spouting all this junk that I'm some kind of
ingnoramous because I'm not a singer and I wouldnt recognize vocal
range since I'm not a trained singer and all those years of Judas Priest,
Fight and Halford concerts wouldnt serve me as a basis since I'm not
a singer. So since you know everything,
stand up and have some balls and answer the question.


I'm beginning to believe what Stun has been saying for quite a while. This board is full of intolerant dicks.

I didn't fully comprehend the question, hence I didn't respond. Who are you referring to in that question?

>>since we're talking about singers.....any of them/all of them....


do you want me to give you a list of singers?

>>Yep.


Either way, I still fail to see how this is relevant to the argument. What i'm thinking is that you're somewhat trying to figure out if i'm a singer or not, if that's the case and you're REALLY interested in knowing check out the musicians forum.

>>the musicians forum is not the focus. You've been going about how
trained singers are the only people who can accurately say who's
better or not, so you're now on trial and you have back your
statement up. According to the criteria presented, you know have to
tell me who the great singers are and who the lousy singers are.
If I took your statement and applied it to Doctors, then I wouldn't know
a good doctor from a bad one until a patient dies. Your criteria and
evaluation is pertinent. It either validates your idea or makes it FOS.

Here is your list

1. Ozzy (Black Sabbath,Ozzy)
2. Dio (Black Sabbath,Dio)
3. Zetro Souza (Exodus,
4. Chuck Billy (Testament)
5. Sean Killian (Vio-Lence)
6. Joey Belladonna (Anthrax)
7. Billy Milano (MOD,SOD)
8. Warrel Dane (Sanctuary,Nevermore)
9. Tony Martin (Black Sabbath)
10. Carl Albert (Vicious Rumors)
11. James Hetfield (Metallica)
12. Dave Mustaine (Megadeth)
13. Paul Bailoff (Exodus)
14. Glenn Danzig (Misfits,Samhain,Danzig)
15. Carl Fulli (Epidemic)
16. David White-Godfrey (Heathen)
17. Max Cavalera (Sepultura,Nailbomb,Soulfly)
18. Robb Flynn (Machine Head)
19. Tom Araya (Slayer)
20. Phil Anselmo (SJR, Pantera)
21. John Connelly (Nuclear Assault)
22. Bruce Dickinson (Iron Maiden)
23. Blaze Bayley (Blaze, Ex-Iron Maiden)
24. Blackie Lawless (WASP)
25. Matt Barlow (Iced Earth)
26. Michael Coons (Laaz Rockit)
27. Mark Osegueda (Death Angel)
28. BJorn Strid (Soilwork)
29. Jon Oliva (Savatage)
30. Andy Deris (Helloween)
31. Michael Kiske (Helloween)
32. John Bush (Armored Saint,Anthrax)
33. Hansi Kursch (Blind Guardian,Demons & Wizards)
34. Kai Hansen (Gamma Ray, Helloween)
35. Zak Stevens (Savatage)
36. Zakk Wylde (Black Label Society)
Answer the question. Rate them according to your technical whatever.


>>I'm hoping you're not referring to me below.


Quote:
the bottom line is there was no point in you commenting at all when you don't know anyting about Ripper Owens or Iced Earth.

You have your head too stuck in your ass and you fail to see where i'm coming from. I can comment whatever the fuck I want because i'm not judging either of them (refer to the posts I made before).

Quote:
and instead choose to dodge the issue and throw out the "maturity" card.

You were the first one that brought up the age issue. You again fail to see your own hypocrisy.

 

[pest666]

And you have the balls to talk about babys?

man, you're just too good.... you're just schooling everyone here left and right.... its a good thing we have someone with a huge ego like yourself here to tell us what's up.... even if its just about Ripper Owens, who you've never heard, or Iced Earth, who you're not a fan of. We would never have figured out what singing was without your guidance....

I'm just glad you're here to set us intolerant dicks straight.

 

[Ultimate_Symphony]

man, you're just too good

>>the musicians forum is not the focus. You've been going about how
trained singers are the only people who can accurately say who's
better or not, so you're now on trial and you have back your
statement up.

You still don't get it. No one can say who's better or not (that's up to each person's opinion). A singer (depending on his knowledge) can judge another singer's TECHNIQUE. I told you to check the musicians forum because you OBVIOUSLY are too interested in knowing if i'm a singer or not. The best thing to do is learn a little bit by yourself and not let someone else mislead you with his opinions.

I should make clear that i'm going to give my 2 cents about some vocalists abilities, i'm not going into the whole ''influential'' thing. I won't go into all the singers because that's just ludicrous. How do you expect me to give you a description about each and everyone one of them? (it's not like i'm desperate to prove you that i'm a singer, either).

1. Ozzy (Black Sabbath,Ozzy) - Regarded by many as one of the best metal vocalist, but I honestly don't see that. He lacks power, his voice is too thin and doesn't have a whole lot of range. If he starts working more on overall technique and breathing techniques he could definitively improve his voice.

6. Joey Belladonna (Anthrax) - I totally hate him, so i'm not even going deeper. In my opinion he's a vocalist, not a singer.

8. Warrel Dane (Sanctuary,Nevermore) - I really like the stuff he does for Nevermore. Pretty versatile and uses head voice and sometimes a little falsetto to add a little variety, wich is cool in my books (i've heard he does more of this stuff in Sanctuary). Very solid metal singer, but he should work more on live performance. He can definitively hit the high notes, but sometimes he tends to run out of air and therefore he dodges high notes from time to time. He also tends to squeal after he maintains some notes. A better breathing technique could definitively help him when it comes to this.

28. BJorn Strid (Soilwork) - I LOVE the vocals he does on the albums, but his live performance leaves a lot to desire. He doesn't maintain the pitch of his vocals (harsh and clean) and that definitively bothers me, he also goes completely out of pitch pretty often. I realize that it's really hard to change from harsh vocals to clean vocals, but he should at least do a decent job, his clean vocals aren't hard at all. I don't really know if he does this on purpose (maybe he wants to add a little variety?), but he goes way off a lot of times.

>>I'm hoping you're not referring to me below.

Nope, I was reffering to pest.

 

[pest666]

haha, the "you're too good" was sarcasm jackass..... not an overly bright fellow, are you?

in case you missed it the first couple o times, Officer Nice doesn't care if you sing or not....

nice job of dodging ON's list too.... was it too hard to put your money where your mouth is? if you want anyone to "listen" and prove that you're as knowledgeable as you like to act, put up or shut up. do the list or tell your story walking. typical......

 

[Ultimate_Symphony]

haha, the "you're too good" was sarcasm jackass..... not an overly bright fellow, are you?

You're trying way too hard

in case you missed it the first couple o times, Officer Nice doesn't care if you sing or not....

Thank you for stating the obvious. Don't you think that if I didn't know that I would've posted the whole list?

And you have the balls to talk about bright people

nice job of dodging ON's list too.... was it too hard to put your money where your mouth is? if you want anyone to "listen" and prove that you're as knowledgeable as you like to act, put up or shut up. do the list or tell your story walking. typical......

A moron and blind as well, what else can be found in your colorful persona?

 

[pest666]

Thank you for stating the obvious.

riiiight, and yet you still keep telling ON to check the musician's thread to prove something..... nice try.

its funny how when you get questioned about what you really know, you just resort to insults. face the facts, you're full of shit.

 

[Ultimate_Symphony]

riiiight, and yet you still keep telling ON to check the musician's thread to prove something..... nice try.

Aww, common', are you crying now?

Face it, you're a hypocrite. Next time if you don't want to get insulted don't insult first, you'll most likely get insulted back

its funny how when you get questioned about what you really know, you just resort to insults. face the facts, you're full of shit.

Check page 1, genius

 

[pest666]

you don't have clue do you?

 

[Ultimate_Symphony]

you don't have clue do you?

It seems that you're more interested in this than Officer himself

Refer to this post and the one I posted after for more information:

http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2418653&postcount=23

 

[Stun]

I think the problem is that a lot people here seem to think opinions don't exist, only facts. And get very defensive when told otherwise.

 

[pest666]

no, it just seems like there are a couple of people who seem to think their opinions mean more than other peoples, and can't get the idea that other people are entitled to theirs as well....

and then they continue to spew about this, that and the other thing, but when given a chance to back it up, they choose not to..... and think they've proven something by declining to show that they know what they're talking about.

but its even more incredibly gay when you don't have a clue as to what you're talking about (and admit it no less), talk how much shit you know, and then get called on it and do nothing.... (most likely because they can't).

you can try the shell game all you want at this point, simple fact is you're full of shit.

 

[Stun]

Ah, the irony of your post. If you only knew.

 

[Ultimate_Symphony]

no, it just seems like there are a couple of people who seem to think their opinions mean more than other peoples, and can't get the idea that other people are entitled to theirs as well....

and then they continue to spew about this, that and the other thing, but when given a chance to back it up, they choose not to..... and think they've proven something by declining to show that they know what they're talking about.

but its even more incredibly gay when you don't have a clue as to what you're talking about (and admit it no less), talk how much shit you know, and then get called on it and do nothing.... (most likely because they can't).

you can try the shell game all you want at this point, simple fact is you're full of shit.

There's not a single post of mine where I say that my opinion means more than others. You're obviously way too entitled to your opinions and you don't stop for a second and actually think about what i'm saying. It's even funnier that you still keep saying that i'm full of shit and yet you ignore the post I made where I responded to Officer. If you think that's not enough to back my statements, then you're the only one here that's full of shit. Either way, i'm confident about what I do and I don't need to prove myself to scumbags like you.

Ah, the irony of your post. If you only knew.

It seems you're the only one that notices this besides me.


(Btw, thx for the reputation point, mind)

 

[MindInsane]

My God boyz...what did your report cards say in gradeschool in the "Gets along well with others" category? I can honestly say I've never heard Ripper's voice, but I have a hard time believing he is better than Rob...who really cares anyway (especially when there's Warrel Dane!)?

 

[Officer Nice]

I'm going to say my last peace on this. Here's how this all started with
Ultimate Jackass.

He says:

Are you a singer? (i'm assuming you're not). First I gotta make clear that I haven't listened to Ripper Owens stuff, but there's no point in calling Jon a retard because he voiced his opinion.
If you're not a singer and you don't understand the technical aspects of singing, your opinion is no better than that of Schaffer's. You probably like Halford's singing better (and Halford probably impresses you more), but basing your opinion on what singer impresses you more is plain wrong.

====
So here, ultimate jackass is posting that my opinion is worthless because
I'm not trained to know any better. In a roundabout way, ultimate jackass
is calling me a retard. I never laid out the criteria of my opinion, ultimate
jackass just assumed so. But if I applied the criteria stuff that ultimate
jackass posted yesterday....live appearances/range...stuff like that,
Halford is still, after 30 years a better singer than Ripper Owens who
wouldnt even be Ripper Owens without Rob Halford, and ultimate jackass
hasnt even listened to Ripper's material from Winters Bane or Priest.
I have.

Hey Pest666, wanna know why ultimate jackass is such a jackass?
He's a Critic! And we know about the reps those guys have.
He writes little album reviews for his webzine. I've never read it before
but apparently they also review albums that came out before the internet
was a common thread in our daily lives. Albums nobody's ever heard of
before called "Master of Puppets" and stuff like that. Can you imagine
their balls? In this day and age, who needs another Master of Puppets
review? ha ha, lame! BTW, My thread is essentially about Rob Halford
and Pest, did you know his little webzine gave Halford's 2002 CD Crucible
their album of the year award? I find that cute.

And here, ultimate jackass is telling me that he knows better than me.
Did you notice that he's trying to build himself up by rising above a
statement like mine and not even making an opinion? His opinion is to
rail on mine. He says something, without saying anything and making a
stand on nothing. You may not like my opinion, that I think Schaffer
is a retard BUT AT LEAST I HAD THE BALLS TO STAND IN PUBLIC ON
SOMETHING. You, didn't.


>>>ultimate jackass in response to Pest 666 says:
and yet you ignore the post I made where I responded to Officer. If you think that's not enough to back my statements, then you're the only one here that's full of shit. Either way, i'm confident about what I do and I don't need to prove myself to scumbags like you.

But Ultimate Jackass you didn't respond to me, you manuevered around
me. I called your silly know-it-all ass out and you cheesed but I knew
you would! I knew it! You're cheese. You're too afraid to have an opinion
when someone can challenge it in a forum like this. You write your little
reviews and post them on your little site and if someone emails your little
zine and disagrees with you, you can delete the mail and hide. You can't
hide here.

I made an opinion here. You told me I was not qualified to have that
opinion. I asked you what the essential criteria is to make the opinion.
You seemed to be the qualified expert here since you're talkin like you
are, mr. music authority and music critic so I asked you to stand behind
your criteria and your belief/statement/idea and I gave you a list to
evaluate based on those things and you cheesed! like a weak ass coward!
SHUT UP!

If you're gonna go around and call people out on their opinions be
ready to stand for yours. But you don't because like most critics you think
you know more than you do, and you're afraid to make a statement that
could be challenged in a public forum. You're a parasite

Pest666 You F'ing Rule Dude!!! I owe you beers! You're a metal brother.
Ultimate Jackass go play with your barbies and brush your hair in
front of the mirror and keep telling yourself how great you are.

It's beer time.

OfficerNice

 

[Ultimate_Symphony]

So here, ultimate jackass is posting that my opinion is worthless because
I'm not trained to know any better. In a roundabout way, ultimate jackass
is calling me a retard.

Look for the post where I called you a retard.

Albums nobody's ever heard of
before called "Master of Puppets" and stuff like that. Can you imagine
their balls? In this day and age, who needs another Master of Puppets
review? ha ha, lame! BTW, My thread is essentially about Rob Halford
and Pest, did you know his little webzine gave Halford's 2002 CD Crucible
their album of the year award? I find that cute

I didn't even write that Master Of Puppets review

But Ultimate Jackass you didn't respond to me, you manuevered around
me. I called your silly know-it-all ass out and you cheesed but I knew
you would! I knew it! You're cheese. You're too afraid to have an opinion
when someone can challenge it in a forum like this. You write your little
reviews and post them on your little site and if someone emails your little
zine and disagrees with you, you can delete the mail and hide. You can't
hide here.

http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2418688&postcount=25

I made an opinion here. You told me I was not qualified to have that
opinion. I asked you what the essential criteria is to make the opinion.
You seemed to be the qualified expert here since you're talkin like you
are, mr. music authority and music critic so I asked you to stand behind
your criteria and your belief/statement/idea and I gave you a list to
evaluate based on those things and you cheesed! like a weak ass coward!
SHUT UP!

You are arguing technique and you know what? you're not qualified to argue singing techniques becuause you know SHIT about singing.


Next time you start an argument and you want to get out of it with a clean face don't make shit up, because most likely, you'll look like an ass in the process.

 

[Officer Nice]

Look for the post where I called you a retard.

Hey Smart Guy, I said 'roundabout' ....that means not literal. Your tone
and suggestion and phrasing.

I didn't even write that Master Of Puppets review

You are so spineless you dont even stand up for your webzine!
ALL YOU DO IS POINT FINGERS and DIVERT!

You are arguing technique and you know what? you're not qualified to argue singing techniques becuause you know SHIT about singing.

And what the FUCK do you know? I keep asking you to go on the record
and explain things and you cheese on me. I asked for an evaluation and
you gave only 4. You whine on and on that you dont need to prove
anything to scum like me yet you're always willing to piss on what
we say, but you never say anything cause you afraid to take a stand
and look bad. you amoeba.

You are the dumbest SOB, I'm NOT ARGUING TECHNIQUE! YOU ARE!
This whole entire thread is because YOU STARTED ARGUING TECHNIQUE.


Next time you start an argument and you want to get out of it with a clean face don't make shit up, because most likely, you'll look like an ass in the process.[/QUOTE]
I am a prick. I am an asshole. I'm not offended by it. I don't CARE about
clean faces because I have BALLS and I make opinions and statements
and I don't care who doesn't agree with me.

You are the one who makes shit up. All I am doing is making you
accountable for what you say and you are completely incapable of
doing so. You said I couldnt formulate it, so I asked you and you did it.
So then when it comes time to stand behind what you say YOU DONT!
You can't! You dont even stand behind your webzine! YOU COWARD!

You may not like me or what I say but at least I stand behind what I say
and I'm not afraid to say something.
I started posting here over a year ago and I was gone for a long time
but in all my time posting on the testament board I've never met anyone
like you. I like everyone on this board. Cool Metal people. Except you.
What I am about to decry, I've never done before on a board.
Should the greater powers that be object with what I am
going to say next, I'm gonna stand behind my statement and
accept any and all reprocussions.


YOU ARE THE WORLDS BIGGEST POSER BITCH.


I'm long past done with you.

OFFICERNICE
and here I dictate the law,
and as I swing, your scattered brains paint the wall.

 

[Deadly Embrace]

ok, then I'll tell you...Ripper's good, but he's not Halford, and to even suggest that he is better than Halford is his prime is S-T-U-P-I-D.

Exactly the way I see it!