Trying to poke holes in hi gain guitars :)

[JayB]

Yes, I did things on all the tracks. Here's what I did:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/933491/JayB EQ.png
Guitars: I began with some saturation to smooth the top end a bit. Then I wanted to remove the honkiness of the guitars. But noticed the high frequencies got harsh when I scooped out the mids at 479 hz about -6dB's, so I shelved down a few dB's from 6k Hz. When the guitars where playing those low pitched riffs, the low end went crazy. I highpassed around 117 hz and shelved a few dB's from 100 hz.

Bass: Was slightly too middy in my opinion so I scooped out some at 460 hz. The guitars are quite thin at this point so I had to add some lowend with the bass to compensate for that. I tried just raising the volume of the bass, but that didn't work so good as it got too present in the intro riffs. I also added the ThrillseekerLA because it adds a nice color and packs some more punch, not a major factor though.

Drums: Added a compressor because I think the toms are slightly too loud and the snare transient wasn't that pleasing. Maybe because it already was clipped and compressed?
I agree the reverb is way too loud with these settings. It's an easy change though.

There's some compression and limiting on the master bus as well. But they aren't doing much. So I didn't bother finding place for them on the pic.
Also, don't mind all the other channels in mixer, I just imported into my opened project. The interesting ones are to the right.

Thanks so much for all the info, I appreciate you taking the time to do that. This will definitely help me out. I had the exact same problem with the bass, I could not figure out how to make it at a decent level without sounding too present at certain parts. For saturation, would Tessla Pro work for the guitars? Is stateful saturation better?

 

[Plankis]

Oh sheit, Variety of sound has done some updating since I last visited that site. I love ThrillseekerLA and its saturation so I'm gonna give the updated ones a try. Those plugins might work better, I haven't tried those. I gave FerricTDS a try but it didn't work as I wanted.

 

[JayB]

Oh sheit, Variety of sound has done some updating since I last visited that site. I love ThrillseekerLA and its saturation so I'm gonna give the updated ones a try. Those plugins might work better, I haven't tried those. I gave FerricTDS a try but it didn't work as I wanted.

I had Ferric TDS on the master bus before Ozone and RC Channel, worked well, got the mix loud without pumping. Saturation on that was not noticeable though, even on max.

 

[JayB]

Ok, here's a new mix Plankis - I tried to incorporate all of your tips. I think I might've kept this bass a bit too loud in this mix though...

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2354806/Sneap Forum Mix help/Track 1 Mix 7 5 2012 Plankis Tips.mp3

Guitar still doesn't sound quite right, I dunno

 

[JayB]

Here's a mix with more subdued bass, I like this better.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2354806/Sneap Forum Mix help/Track 1 7 5 2012 Mix Bass Subdued.mp3

 

[Ermz]

I'm gonna take a stab at this tomorrow, Jay.

 

[JayB]

I'm gonna take a stab at this tomorrow, Jay.

Cool, thanks!

Here's my final mix for the day, put some of the low mids back in

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2354806/Sneap Forum Mix help/Track 1 7 5 2012 Mix 3.mp3

 

[JayB]

Hey guys, here's an updated zip folder with revised drums (less snare verb, lowered toms and snare etc) and also revised bass with less mids. I kept the old bass file in there in case someone finds it useful.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2354806/Sn...rding/S1 Files EQ Thread Sneap Volharding.zip

 

[JayB]

Also, just bounced a little mix of part of a song with some vocals, I'd like some opinions on how they're sitting in the mix etc... I can't seem to get them right at all... they either sound too loud or get kinda buried and don't sound powerful at all...

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2354806/Sneap Forum Mix help/Track 8 Empire Vocal Mix 7 6 2012.mp3

 

[JayB]

Just bumping this to see if anyone else has taken a shot at the files...

 

[Ascendant]

Hey guys, here's an updated zip folder with revised drums (less snare verb, lowered toms and snare etc) and also revised bass with less mids. I kept the old bass file in there in case someone finds it useful.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2354806/Sneap Forum Mix help/Song 1 Files For EQ Test.zip

Gave this a quick try, did you reamp the guitars? There was quite a lot of fizz and the mids were a bit too scooped. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13494639/hrea.mp3

Like Clark said, work on getting the levels more balanced and then bring out the EQ if necessary, which will probably always be the case when mixing metal.

 

[JayB]

Gave this a quick try, did you reamp the guitars? There was quite a lot of fizz and the mids were a bit too scooped. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13494639/hrea.mp3

Like Clark said, work on getting the levels more balanced and then bring out the EQ if necessary, which will probably always be the case when mixing metal.

Cool, I'll take a listen in the morning! I didn't reamp it, Ermz did. I had to LP at about 6-7 khz

By the way, just bounced this mix with vocals, I'd like to hear some opinions on the mix, I'm a total novice at mixing vocals and getting them to sit in a mix

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2354806/Sneap Forum Mix help/Track 8 Empire 7 10 2012 Mix .mp3

 

[JayB]

Anyone?

 

[JayB]

Gave this a quick try, did you reamp the guitars? There was quite a lot of fizz and the mids were a bit too scooped. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13494639/hrea.mp3

Like Clark said, work on getting the levels more balanced and then bring out the EQ if necessary, which will probably always be the case when mixing metal.

Just listened, sounds pretty cool! What did you do EQ wise?

 

[Ascendant]

By the way, just bounced this mix with vocals, I'd like to hear some opinions on the mix, I'm a total novice at mixing vocals and getting them to sit in a mix

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2354806/Sneap Forum Mix help/Track 8 Empire 7 10 2012 Mix .mp3

The vocals could come up a bit, just a dB or two, what I can hear of them sounds good though. I think you need to work on your bass guitar tones, it's lacking a lot of everything in this clip.

Just listened, sounds pretty cool! What did you do EQ wise?

Thanks, I did what I could and this is how the EQs ended up looking http://i.minus.com/ioG9QJaHeibwQ.png - I used the same EQ on the left and right tracks then sent them to a bus for no reason and did more EQ. I forgot to cut the 300hz in the version I posted here, and you need to EQ out a peak around that area in the snare verb.
I could've probably been a bit more efficient but it was a hard tone to work with. Personally found the bass guitar was trickier to work with since it was already way too distorted and lacked character so I just threw some EQ on it, couldn't really salvage much there.

 

[JayB]

The vocals could come up a bit, just a dB or two, what I can hear of them sounds good though. I think you need to work on your bass guitar tones, it's lacking a lot of everything in this clip.


Thanks, I did what I could and this is how the EQs ended up looking http://i.minus.com/ioG9QJaHeibwQ.png - I used the same EQ on the left and right tracks then sent them to a bus for no reason and did more EQ.
I could've probably been a bit more efficient but it was a hard tone to work with. Personally found the bass guitar was trickier to work with since it was already way too distorted and lacked character so I just threw some EQ on it, couldn't really salvage much there.

Thanks... as for vocals, I like them a bit lower in the mix than most... as for bass, I know I suck at bass tones, been trying to work on that. At the moment I'm just trying to make sure that the bass isn't overpowering the other instruments. What do you normally use for bass? Do you do the standard 3 separate tones thing? I can never seem to get it right...

 

[JayB]

Thanks, I did what I could and this is how the EQs ended up looking http://i.minus.com/ioG9QJaHeibwQ.png - I used the same EQ on the left and right tracks then sent them to a bus for no reason and did more EQ. I forgot to cut the 300hz in the version I posted here, and you need to EQ out a peak around that area in the snare verb.
I could've probably been a bit more efficient but it was a hard tone to work with. Personally found the bass guitar was trickier to work with since it was already way too distorted and lacked character so I just threw some EQ on it, couldn't really salvage much there.

Thanks for the tips... Do you have any clips of bass from stuff you've mixed? If you could throw some clips up and tell me how you got the tone (I'm assuming you get your bass tones ITB) it would probably help me a lot!

 

[JayB]

Also maybe I should mention that the bass is programmed with Prominy Sr5 Rock Bass. I thought maybe the best thing would be to throw up the bass DI here and see if someone can get something decent that works for this mix... thanks in advance!

UPDATE: Zip folder with all files plus Bass DI

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2354806/Sn...rding/S1 Files EQ Thread Sneap Volharding.zip

 

[id3alism]

There's still some kind of 'buzz' (can't really put my finger on it) that I don't like.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2764370/Song-EQ-Test-01.mp3
Thanks for the files btw.

 

[JayB]

There's still some kind of 'buzz' (can't really put my finger on it) that I don't like.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2764370/Song-EQ-Test-01.mp3
Thanks for the files btw.

You're welcome, thanks for taking a stab at it! Sounds pretty good, maybe a bit hollow... what did you do to the guitars EQ wise? Did you reamp the bass or use the one in the main folder?