Ultimate Metal Hall of Fame October 2016 Inductions

[Talos of Atmora]

@Baroque Listen, I think the bands you listed will end up in the Hall anyway but are you seriously saying that bands that released albums on the caliber of Crimson Glory's S/T, Port Royal, Operation Mindcrime, Rage for Order, Transcendence, Death or Glory, Restless and Wild, Metal Heart, Thundersteel, Fire Down Under, The Privilege of Power, and The Brethren of the Long House do not deserve recognition? Yeah, that's a load of shit.

 

[Baroque]

You lost the timeline argument, handily, now you're resorting to the "I think they suck" rigmarole. Angel Witch were one of the earliest NWOBHM bands ever, and Kevin Heybourne's guitar work and arranging demonstrates a keen sense of melody if anything. We have the very first bands in just about every subgenre at this point, including black, death, doom, speed, trad, power, etc. Crimson Glory were right there alongside Dream Theater, Fates Warning, and Queensrÿche in generating the American prog metal scene. None of these bands are "B-list", they were all prime movers in the 70's trad, power, and prog scenes.

Because I realized the timeline doesn't even matter for my argument. They still sound like better bands that are already on the list. I don't agree with including every shitty trad "metal" band from the 70's before including pioneers of death metal, stoner, grindcore, prog, crossover etc. There's clearly a bias here is my point. There's no real reason for it and it doesn't represent the biggest innovators in metal overall.

it's not just one person's opinion here's another:

http://www.metalstorm.net/users/list.php?list_id=2413&page=&message_id=

Notice how Obituary is #40 while a lot of these bands are below them. Running Wild is #143, angel witch is #116...

 

[no country for old wainds]

obituary are pretty much the definition of a 'copycat band' to me, they wear their influences very openly on their sleeve. i love 'em though so i'd be happy to see them get in. DRI is a great shout, not sure how popular they are around here but they should be. surprised napalm death and dark angel aren't in yet, too.

that said, this is ultimately a UM hall of game, you can find an overall metal hall of fame elsewhere. no reason for a people who don't like stoner to pick electric wizard or sleep just because of their influence (which i'm sure some here probably consider to be a negative influence).

 

[Talos of Atmora]

Did you honest to God just put "metal" in quotes to reference them?

If Crimson Glory, Running Wild, Angel Witch, Accept, and Riot aren't "metal" then Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Dio and Black Sabbath sure as fuck aren't metal either, using that same logic.

 

[CiG]

There are some majorly influential bands still missing from this list: Obituary, Napalm Death, Dream Theater, DRI, Dark Angel, Cynic, Sleep, Electric Wizard...

Monolithic meh to the bolded, copycat and boring as you can get as well as brutally overrated, but yeah to the rest. Get voting instead of being a salty faggot though, this is democratic.

It's Hall of Fame, not Hall of Bands That Are Original Enough To Make Baroque Nut.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Firstly, Accept were formed in 1968, predating even Judas Priest, and were the original solidifiers of the German trad metal sound along with their more commercial brethren, the Scorpions. Riot were formed in '75, same year as Maiden and Rainbow, making them a unique sight and early contributor on the US metal scene given their sound, Angel Witch were formed in '77, and are hence among the earliest NWOBHM bands, Running Wild were formed in '76. The only band band you carry a valid point with are Crimson Glory, who took shape in '79. Nice try, but no cigar.

Are you autistic or retarded? Formation date is meaningless. Accept was almost certainly not playing Priest-y metal in 1978, let alone 1968.

 

[CiG]

Accept's debut is fairly Judas Priest-esque, mixing heavy metal with ballads comes to mind as a blatant example.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Which came out in 1979, and still lacks any songs approaching Sinner, Exciter, Dissident Aggressor, Saints in Hell, etc. I mean it's still got some good heavy songs (especially Sounds of War) and it's not a bad album at all, but it's basically a second-rate 70s Scorpions. If that's what they were playing in 1979, it's pretty obvious they weren't playing metal in 1968. I mean, by that logic they invented metal independently of Sabbath too.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Recordings or it didn't happen.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Still doesn't mean much in the context of their importance to metal. Their early 80s material is where they found their niche. Formation date has no bearing on that.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

How can they be an influence if no one heard them at the time? You've proven jack shit wrt Accept. Their S/T sounds nothing like the essential 70s Judas Priest speed metal sound.

I'd argue that Riot was never particularly innovative/influential, but they do have a long history and consistency behind them.

 

[CiG]

How is any of this shit relevant anyway?

 

[CiG]

Great tune.