US Housing Market Faggotry

I live in Tempe aka, College Town. I think Northern Arizona is excellent, and completely different from the Valley and Southern Arizona. Would move back in a heartbeat if I could find employment comparable to my current job.
 
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This is one of those stupid articles that assumes that renting is somehow worse than buying, a concept that I've never been able to understand. Do the math, it is cheaper to rent, especially in the ridiculous housing market over the past several years. Sure you get a tax break on interest, but after HOA fees, property taxes, and an overinflated mortgage, it's been a fuckton more expensive to buy in many markets. Please note that I'm a "bitter renter" though. :Smug:

Also, this is 15 miles down the street from me. :kickass:
 
Nothing wrong with renting in the short term. Houses are a good investment (not in California currently) but they're not liquid.
 
I don't think renting in the long term is bad either, especially if you live in a big city. There are obvious benefits to owning, but I both have advantages and disadvantages really.

Best part about renting: when some asshat moves in next door, upstairs, across the street, or like 50 of them move into the vicinity, one 30 day notice is all it takes to GTFO and live somewhere else. I had to utilize that once, fucker upstairs was raising my blood pressure and turning me into KILLNAD. :mad: But then I became :) all over again.
 
Purely from a profitable standpoint, and assuming the property doesn't go into negative equity, why would renting ever be better than buying? Surely the reason to buy is to recoup the cost upon selling? Buying is therefore an investment. Maybe I'm not following because it feels like I'm stating the obvious.

I do see some benefits of renting from a landlord, however. He is obliged to fix your plumbing or have the lawns mowed, but really, he's just pocketing wads full of cash from your rent checks because he was the guy who bought in the first place....
 
Well, let's say you have $50,000 to put down on a house. If you go ahead and sink that into a property, you've just lost $50,000 of liquid cash that you could've invested in stocks for a (potentially) much higher rate of return. Ownership of a house includes all manner of hidden costs in maintenance, repairs, and the ever-popular renovations. Let's say, and this will never happen again in our lifetimes, the value of your house skyrockets in five years and you put it on the market for $50,000 more than you bought it for. To see that $50,000, you first have to sell it and that can be alot harder than the TV shows like to make out.

However, you have to, of course, factor in all the soft costs like: needing a roof over your head, desireability to have dominion over your living quarters, needing a fenced yard for your dog, needing to avoid busy streets if you have children, etc. Ultimately, because of these soft costs, and the simple fact that owning is an investment whereas renting simply is not, owning > renting.

BTW, I'm renting right now after selling my house and very much look forward to buying something in the spring. Even if I put half of my savings down on it. It's worth it to me....and the market is on a slight downswing here. I don't expect to ever make as high of a return as I did this Fall.
 
that's if you put $50K down on something that is $200K ... not $900K like most people do.

renting sucks and I want to get out of it also, not sure I want to buy a house necesarily (would be nice) but the chance of getting "anything" decent under $500K, be it a house or apt, in this area is really slim. And even at that point mortgage would be $3K a month (which if I do American slacker style in payback, will be $1.2 miil by the time I pay it back) ... I pay 1150 now in rent.

I think the only wise way for me to buy anything is NOT to do it in the NY area ... OR ... if I start macking buko buks and really can pay it off fast. There is NO FUCKING way I getting myself into paying $3K mortgages.
 
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Anyway, yeah, I guess my reference point is mid-US home prices. It's probably pretty difficult to put together $150,000 for a 20% dp on a $750,000 house in LA. Considering that your typical asshole can't cobble together $15,000 for a dp (or $5000 for a dp on a car, or make more than minimum payments on their credit cards, etc.), you can see how all this shit got started.


It's difficult to find something here that's nice for under $300,000. Actually it's impossible. I'd like to move somewhere downmarket but the wife won't agree.
 
It's probably pretty difficult to put together $150,000 for a 20% dp on a $750,000 house in LA.

yeah, no shit ... but a few months ago you could take a separate loan out for the downpayment. :loco:

my friends bro and his wife just bought a house for $900K and it was not even in the condition they wanted it. So they just blew another $300K to fix it up ... BEFORE they even moved in. So for the last 3 months and for the next 3 more they will be paying out about $30K in mortgage payments without even living in the house. :puke:

Now both of them make good money ... but there is another thing that we did not mention in this thread yet ... the security blanket in the back of you mind of loaded parents bailing you out if you are up shit's creek.
 
Purely from a profitable standpoint, and assuming the property doesn't go into negative equity, why would renting ever be better than buying? Surely the reason to buy is to recoup the cost upon selling? Buying is therefore an investment. Maybe I'm not following because it feels like I'm stating the obvious.

I do see some benefits of renting from a landlord, however. He is obliged to fix your plumbing or have the lawns mowed, but really, he's just pocketing wads full of cash from your rent checks because he was the guy who bought in the first place....
Historically speaking, house value has always followed inflation, so you basically sell for what you buy, unless of course you sell during a peak time of the market and then profit accordingly. Unless by selling in a peak market you just use that money to buy into said peak market, at which point you've basically made nothing.

I don't think there is anything wrong with buying a house as an investment, but since values skyrocketed over 300% over the past 5 years, and the market just now tipping, anyone left holding a mortgage will never recoup their investment. At least not until the next real estate bubble comes along, but my guess is there will never be one ever again. Just look at Japan, 16 years since the bubble popped, still declining.

Disclaimer: anyone who bought prior to the escalation has nothing to worry about, unless they cashed out their spectre equity, and owe just as much as said Bubble Buyers.
 
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I posted this in here again, but does anyone think these prices are sustainable? I really doubt it.

Oh yeah, I tout the merits of renting, but only because it is ridiculous to buy a house right now. When prices come back down to earth, I'll buy. Probably not for at least a few years, because sellers live in last year's market when prices are declining, and yes, they are going down. Most areas in So. California have already dropped 20%, if not more once the hidden costs of rebates and incentives come into play. Burn baby, burn.
 
Just wait a year or so and then buy. Or maybe you guys on the coasts could move somewhere less expensive. I mean, I'm sure the coasts are awesome and everything with their overcrowding, traffic, pollution, crime, high costs of living, and crappy sports teams, but there's like 6,000,000,000,000,000 other square miles of this country to live in.
 

I just seen this story two minutes ago on the news and I yelped with glee. Old school savings exhibited right there. While Paco, Jacquo, and Waco are up to their Hispaniola ears in red tape, this crazy old coot from Hicksville U.S.A whips out a dozen piggy banks and drives home in style, care fucking free!!!

This is the second time he has done this by the way. :heh:
 
I posted this in here again, but does anyone think these prices are sustainable? I really doubt it.

Seen the roller coaster version of that chart? Wait it out to the very end to really get the full impact. [ame]http://youtube.com/watch?v=kUldGc06S3U[/ame]

Loose-change-man is a dumbass. He could have had that new truck a lot sooner if he'd just put his money in a savings account instead of coffee cans.

Neil