USA healthcare overhaul

J.DavisNJ said:
sometimes people forget what a diverse country we are.
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and this is the exact reason why I want to visit the states some day and live there for a couple years before doing something else. I like the fact that there are people from all over the world in USA but they're all considered americans - if they have a citizenship that is. In Sweden, you're surely enough a swede if you're a citizen... well, on paper you are. If I walk up to a blonde swedish dude and say I'm swedish, he would not accept it. There's too much of a race "pureness" going on here behind the scenes, although "officially" it's not like that. That's what I like about USA... a gazillion mixed races but they're all american.
 
Erkan said:
Btw, I really like the way you think! It's very similar to mine =)
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Thanks dude :kickass:

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I got to do this whole "Christmas" thing tonight. Sucks being the only non Jesus believing dude in my family. I get a little frustrated and I have to bite my tongue a lot. It's at my house so there is no escape. :erk:
 
SocialNumb said:
Thanks dude :kickass:

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I got to do this whole "Christmas" thing tonight. Sucks being the only non Jesus believing dude in my family. I get a little frustrated and I have to bite my tongue a lot. It's at my house so there is no escape. :erk:
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Heh, tell me about it. My mom sometimes thanks god because my father raked in an extra high salary during a month. Did it not occur to her it might've been my father's work that got him the extra high salary rather than god smiling upon my father and somehow made the boss give him a higher salary? I mean come on... some people... oh how it infuriates me that they are SO ignorant.
 
Erkan said:
and this is the exact reason why I want to visit the states some day and live there for a couple years before doing something else. I like the fact that there are people from all over the world in USA but they're all considered americans - if they have a citizenship that is. In Sweden, you're surely enough a swede if you're a citizen... well, on paper you are. If I walk up to a blonde swedish dude and say I'm swedish, he would not accept it. There's too much of a race "pureness" going on here behind the scenes, although "officially" it's not like that. That's what I like about USA... a gazillion mixed races but they're all american.
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Yeah, I suppose there is a strong nationalistic sense in a lot of countries. There is also a lot of racism from what I have seen, but this is with every country. It's inescapable.

For example, being in Munich this summer, we had a more than one experience where my openly Jewish friends had people GLARING at their star of David pendants, and one Swede referring to my buddy at Oktoberfest as the kid with the "jew hair."

Racism sucks...

-Joe
 
you guys have totally missed the fine print in the bill. The Bill states that Healthcare is mandatory, that anyone under 400% of poverty income, would be subsidized, and anyone making over that will have to pay the full price without possibility of subsidizing and total cost for a 4 person household family equates to $15,000. A MANDATORY fee of $15,000 per year, not counting the taxes that we would still have to pay.

FUCK THAT!!!
 
Erkan said:
Heh, tell me about it. My mom sometimes thanks god because my father raked in an extra high salary during a month. Did it not occur to her it might've been my father's work that got him the extra high salary rather than god smiling upon my father and somehow made the boss give him a higher salary? I mean come on... some people... oh how it infuriates me that they are SO ignorant.
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bah :erk: Don't get me started on prayer. It drives me nuts!

"durp durp, I'm not going to do shit and hope it happens" :goggly:

getting way off topic here lol
 
SocialNumb said:
I got to do this whole "Christmas" thing tonight. Sucks being the only non Jesus believing dude in my family. I get a little frustrated and I have to bite my tongue a lot. It's at my house so there is no escape. :erk:
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I guess that explains all the anti christian rants then :lol:
 
All I will say is... I work in the American Healthcare system in management, and I would whoeheartedly agree that there definitely needs to be reform, but I feel this bill, at least what I know of it because honestly who's read the thing, is going to do more damage than good.

That said, here is my personal opinion: I don't know about you, but I bust my ASS for my paycheck, and I like spending my own money versus having the government spend it for me. I don't have enough money for my own family to survive comfortably, let alone having the government take even more of my hard earned pay so someone else who is obviously not motivated enough to get a job with benefits can have healthcare. And... don't even say that there is no opporunity, because that's bullshit. There's plenty of opportunity for those who look hard enough. Fuck this bill. Fuck this President. Fuck this Senate.

Sorry... touchy subject for me.
 
I'm glad I'm not religious, but also have no problem with people that are...to a point. Fundamentalist Christians and Islamic radicals can suck a nut.

-Joe
 
Chris_P_Critter said:
All I will say is... I work in the American Healthcare system in management, and I would whoeheartedly agree that there definitely needs to be reform, but I feel this bill, at least what I know of it because honestly who's read the thing, is going to do more damage than good.

That said, here is my personal opinion: I don't know about you, but I bust my ASS for my paycheck, and I like spending my own money versus having the government spend it for me. I don't have enough money for my own family to survive comfortably, let alone having the government take even more of my hard earned pay so someone else who is obviously not motivated enough to get a job with benefits can have healthcare. And... don't even say that there is no opporunity, because that's bullshit. There's plenty of opportunity for those who look hard enough. Fuck this bill. Fuck this President. Fuck this Senate.

Sorry... touchy subject for me.
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THIS!!!!

Who the fuck is our government to tell us how we HAVE to spend our money? Especially when it comes to sharing with those who are mooching off the rest of us, its pure and utter bullshit.

If I wanted a government that takes away my money to spend it somewhere else, I would move to Sweden, for I don't not trust these old incompetent asshats that are masquerading as leaders, they can't have a socialist system of taking our wages and using it for a service without jacking up taxes. Why? Because in their hands, money seems to fucking disappear. Over in Sweden, can they provide services like healthcare, and a high standard of living without ridiculous taxes, wastefully spending and trillions of dollars just up and go missing? Yes, because they can tell their asses from their heads, unlike the idiots running our country.

quoting for truth "Fuck this bill. Fuck this President. Fuck this Senate"
 
Chris_P_Critter said:
That said, here is my personal opinion: I don't know about you, but I bust my ASS for my paycheck, and I like spending my own money versus having the government spend it for me. I don't have enough money for my own family to survive comfortably, let alone having the government take even more of my hard earned pay so someone else who is obviously not motivated enough to get a job with benefits can have healthcare. And... don't even say that there is no opporunity, because that's bullshit.
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I don't get this sort of argument, what happens if you were to come down with some sort of life threatening problem that required multiple surgeries and your insurance company dropped your cover after the first couple, you as the sole breadwinner can't get money to pay your surgeries or feed your family, the insurance company has fucked off with all the money you paid them and you have no money left.

In this sort of scenario you're well and truely up shit creek, without government covering your surgery you'd most likely die. Sure it's an unlikely scenario, but it illustrates a point, giving your money to government to pay for your surgeries as opposed to a company purely motivated by profit makes more sense.

It has always made sense for governments to protect their workforce, because after all you are whats giving them taxes, therefore it makes sense to government to keep you alive because its profitable, whereas to an insurance company the situation is exactly the opposite, they'll leave you up shit creek without a paddle because they're losing money on you in the short term as opposed to gaining it in the long.

Just food for thought.
 
I thought they have been taking our money and spending it where they see fit for years . . . Nice wars we got there. Why don't I have a say in this?
 
Öwen;8783758 said:
I don't get this sort of argument, what happens if you were to come down with some sort of life threatening problem that required multiple surgeries and your insurance company dropped your cover after the first couple, you as the sole breadwinner can't get money to pay your surgeries or feed your family, the insurance company has fucked off with all the money you paid them and you have no money left.

In this sort of scenario you're well and truely up shit creek, without government covering your surgery you'd most likely die. Sure it's an unlikely scenario, but it illustrates a point, giving your money to government to pay for your surgeries as opposed to a company purely motivated by profit makes more sense.

It has always made sense for governments to protect their workforce, because after all you are whats giving them taxes, therefore it makes sense to government to keep you alive because its profitable, whereas to an insurance company the situation is exactly the opposite, they'll leave you up shit creek without a paddle because they're losing money on you in the short term as opposed to gaining it in the long.

Just food for thought.
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While I can agree with your first paragraph, yeah that would be a sticky situation. I do think our healthcare reform can be done responsibly and protect said people from having to go through that.

One thing I will add: Has anyone considered the amount of money pumped from private healthcare corporations into researching and developing new forms of medicine? That has a lot to do with it as well. I'm sure greed exists too, but it's important to look at both sides.

-Joe
 
I hate the argument, "well it won't work here because this is america". No one has said that yet but if anyone comes out with it I'm going to cunt punt them.

On a serious note, this bill has been rushed waaaaay too quickly and doesn't really cover what it should, so I'm not really for it at the moment.

Joe
 
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