Varg
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Why is he a asshole? well let's see... he lost like 15 years of his life or whatever the amount of years which he could of been spending with his daughter raising her in his mentally retarded thoughts on race, religion and society... not only did he lose years of his life but he brought down other people like Samoth and Faust with his egostical big mouth at the time and took years or months from their lives among others... Explain to me why Euronymous was better off being killed? did you know him? did any of us know him? No you didn't know him and you are just talking out of your ass and just reciting elitist BS... We only have Varg's word on how Euronymous was like which everyone knows he is not a reliable source... Euronymous gave Varg and alot of other bands there starts because Euronymous made the BM scene at the time... everything centered around him... my guess is Varg killed him for two reasons... first because Euronymous was a bad businessman and did not know how to run a record label so he was not paying Varg his royalties or something to do with their business arrangement... and second reason is Varg has such a huge ego and wanted to be the center of the BM universe at the time and saw Euronymous as a rival in that regards... so yes Varg is a asshole for all these reasons but like i said he does come out with good music...
I like the Mayhem band after Euronymous (well i liked the Chimera album) but I'm sure Mayhem would probably be a better band right now had he lived... so no it was not better off to kill him for all involved...
Panzerfaust above mentioned he has a daughter... Varg brought Faust down when he went around telling people Faust killed a homosexual which eventually got back to the police... Varg's accomplice is the one who helped bring Varg down...
~L~
Violent by Design
He does have a daughter, or so he said in an interview I'd read in Lords of Chaos.
Saying that money was involved is most definitely a bullshit reason. Euronymous owned Varg no more than $5000 (its in one of the interviews, don't quote me on the exact amount but it was somewhere in that ballpark). That's not really a problem in Norway where every degenerate fuck lives comfortably off of state welfare. Varg's interviews from that time onward have very often been twisted and misrepresented.
There have been people that have come forward and said it was indeed true that Euronymous had planned to torture and kill Varg while video-taping the whole event, not to mention that the whole "competition" that you mention was fabricated in Euronymous's head. The reason is simple. Euronymous's poor business practices and general stupidity began to alienate many black metal musicians and followers. When people began to pay more attention to Varg (and marginally at that), the fucker got angry. When some of his former bandmates agree that he was a degenerate tool (there are interviews where Hellhammer has said that Mayhem is far better off having Euronyous dead for various reasons, and recent ones at that), I don't see why Varg's account is so inadmissible.
As for what actually happened during the murder (or manslaughter), you've got only one living witness, and that's Varg himself. If I had to choose between speculation on the part of the Norweigan media and Varg's word, I'd actually take his word. If his account is true, Euronymous deserves to be dead. I maintain that his account is pretty factual. Unless you can provide some sort of counter-evidence that isn't from an extremely sensationalistic and inaccurate source (like Lords of Chaos), I suggest you can it.
Varg's trial was basically a three-ring circus designed to make an example out of right-wing beliefs. This is quite self-evident.
Not only that, it's also pretty much PROVEN that Faust killed this guy for no legitimate reason in cold blood (I could be wrong but I'm quite sure he confessed). Whether or not Varg even had the intention or motive to kill Euronymous is still up in the air. Yet Varg remains the far more reviled of the two, probably because of his racial beliefs and nothing more.
Vitor
Unconventional [Listener]
I don't have any respect for Varg
He was a revolted fool dude and now he is paying for it, and his actions didn't make any diference.
Just his albuns interest to me, and out of the black metal, Varg is a John Doe only.
He was a revolted fool dude and now he is paying for it, and his actions didn't make any diference.
Just his albuns interest to me, and out of the black metal, Varg is a John Doe only.
Killbot
A Killer Robot
Vitor
Unconventional [Listener]
1. Varg brought a contract with him to the murder scene so either it had to do with something over money or it was premeditated murder (and not manslaughter as you suggested because manslaughter is not premeditated). He brought a knife, try to set up a alibi in Bergen or wherever it is he lived,came in the dead of night (no pun intended)so as not be seen etc. And Varg's interviews have never been twisted or misrepresented. They are his own words.
2. Which people have come forward? You make a statement but no names to back it up. Anyone and everyone who knew Euronymous from that time including your precious Varg have said that Euronymous was more talk then action.So to take a statement that Euronymous was going to murder/torture Varg and videotape it is laughable. And as far as I can remember only Varg has said Euronymous was going to do this and much like you he says people have said such things but does not provide any names.
3. As for the "competition" there is no interviews of Euronymous from that time mentioning any such thing. Again it came from Varg's own mouth (see a recurring theme here?). No one here has doubted Varg's ego then or now. So it is more plausible that Varg was jealous of Euronymous's position and influence in the BM scene.
4. As for HellHammer, I have not seen him say that Euronymous being dead is better off for Mayhem. I have seen Hellhammer say that he did not like that Euronymous seem to lean towards Communist leanings but that he thought Euro was more talk then anything and that he did such things for shock more then anything else. As for Euro's death Hellhammer said it didn't matter to him either way. That it did not affect him so therefor him saying that it was better off for Mayhem of his death is not true.
5. Varg is not the only witness since Varg had a accomplice with him who witnessed the murder and saw Varg chasing a unarmed Euro in his underwear. Therefor it is not self defense, manslaughter or any other excuse you or him can come up with. It was premeditated just like the Church burnings Varg allegedly did.
6. You said "if" Varg's account is true then Euro deserves to be dead. So therefore you have doubts and "if" Varg is lying then you would have to admit Euro didn't deserve to be killed/dead. And most people know Varg is not a reliable person since most of what he says always contradicts itself especially about the night of the murder and the events that lead up to it.
7. I read more then just Lords of Chaos. I read Varg's own words and like I said he contradicts himself. As for LOC, all the interviews in there were/are from the mouths of the individuals involved. Some are a matter of public record and some are from media interviews that none have denied saying. I'll include some interesting quotes from those interviews below.
8. Varg made the trial a three ring circus much like he did earlier when the church burnings happened. He has always been a media whore who loves the attention. Then and now.
Quotes:
Faust (about the murder of the homosexual): He was bragging. The night after it happened he had already been bragging to a girl, who he didn't know, about this murder. I was still up in Lillehammer but I had talked to Oystein (Euro) and Vikernes afterward. That evening Vikernes was outside in Oslo bragging to a girl about this murder. It was not a very wise thing to do, but he liked to talk to people about what he and his friends had done.
Metalion (on Euro's murder): I didn't expect it at all. I hadn't spoken to Euro for awhile before, and things were very quiet. All of a sudden this happened, and it was very surprising to me, I didn't even think it was Grishnackh(varg) who did it. I was confused and it too a very long time before i realized anything.
Ilsa Raluce Anghel (lived with Euro for some time): I am quite sure that I know who killed Oynstein. The murderer was "jealous" and wished to take over Oynstein's leading position in the scene...
Isahn: I knew they had a conflict. Euro had said he thought Grish was an asshole. Grish thought Euro was an asshole. To some degree I think it was a fight for leadership. In some way they both wanted power, and to be the leading man.
Faust: I knew there were disagreements between them, but I don't think Oynstein took it very seriously. Vikernes was very much into making war with Oynstein. He didn't like him anymore, because obviously Oynstein got more attention in the underground scene than Vikernes, and he couldn't handle it.
Faust: Oynstein had needed money to release the first Burzum record, which of course he didn't have the ability to pay back. Vikernes was angry about all that.
Faust (about so Varg's self defense): That's bullshit, There's no reason why Oynstein would attack Vikernes after he'd just woken up, still in his underwear. He wouldn't do it.
Faust: I can understand it though, because Vikernes wanted to get away from a 21 year , first degree murder sentence. It's a natural move- it was the same with me in court, I tried to get away from it by claiming self defense.
Hellhammer: Varg and Blackthorn (Varg's accomplice) were living in Bergen, about 7 hours from Oslo. It was planned that they were going to kill him. So he was part of the murder but he didn't stab him, he just stood and watched.
Hellhammer (on Euro): Well, I liked him alot, but the fact that he was a communist offended me. Euro wanted to be the most extreme person, and he thought communism was very extreme with the things in Soviet Russia you know?
Vitor
Unconventional [Listener]
Krigloch the Furious
Pants full of poo
I'm not going to bother to respond to every point, but yes, it did have something to do with money, but that was not the reason for the murder. Why kill someone if you're trying to get their signature? The knife he used was hardly one fit for murdering someone. He got lucky with his angle and that was pretty much it. If something is premeditated, why not bring a better murder weapon?
There's plenty of evidence (on Varg's site among others) which points to interviews that both never occurred and were completely fabricated.
Of course I admit that Varg's account may be false. I don't "worship" him by any means, nor do I agree with any of his racial views. There's a very good chance that Snorre's confession was forced, and he was hardly a "witness."
It sounds to me like you think I'm saying Varg didn't kill Euronymous. All I'm saying is you can't charge someone with murder if there's no clearly established motive, and no one without clear political (or other form of) incentive who has any idea how trials and due process works would do this. The trial was a 3-ring circus because everyone involved (including those who were supposed to support him) had a stake against him and his views (which were once again widely misrepresented in the media as Satanic and perhaps rightfully so as right-wing).
There's plenty of evidence (on Varg's site among others) which points to interviews that both never occurred and were completely fabricated.
Of course I admit that Varg's account may be false. I don't "worship" him by any means, nor do I agree with any of his racial views. There's a very good chance that Snorre's confession was forced, and he was hardly a "witness."
It sounds to me like you think I'm saying Varg didn't kill Euronymous. All I'm saying is you can't charge someone with murder if there's no clearly established motive, and no one without clear political (or other form of) incentive who has any idea how trials and due process works would do this. The trial was a 3-ring circus because everyone involved (including those who were supposed to support him) had a stake against him and his views (which were once again widely misrepresented in the media as Satanic and perhaps rightfully so as right-wing).
ThisIsACoolName
Member
Evil?
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1. Because Varg is not too bright when it comes to crime.I haven't seen the knife but I am sure it was a big one and he figure it was good enough.
2. He brought the contract as a excuse for the visit to Euro so Euro wouldn't suspect anything.
3. As for the fabricated interviews you would have to show evidence to that without saying so and I don't mean Varg's site. I reliable reputable source whose also not in the Varg camp. A independent source because as far as I know Metalion, Faust, Hellhammer etc. have not denied their words in the interviews.
4. Again show evidence that Snorre's confession is forced because that has never come to question. Varg himself called him a snitch which means he gave up Varg. Giving up someone means you are giving evidence and that evidence is corraborated.
5. I never said you didn't believe Varg killed him. What I am saying is you believe this murder was manslaughter or self defense and we know thats not true. You don't chase a half naked man down a flight of stairs who is unarmed, stab him repeatedly and call it self defense.
6. Political incentive? Varg's not a politician for any political vendetta against him.
7. The trial was a circus because Varg at that time was a celebrity due to the church burnings and other crimes before that murder.Add the Satanic aspect to it and you have a hit. Everyone loves a good sensational story much like the OJ trial and other celebrity trials.The Right Wing aspect of it is/was boring because that has been done to death unlike the Satanic aspect which isn't done much. But don't think for a minute Varg did not like it. Like I said he has always been a media whore and plays to the media then and now. If he didn't he wouldn't give constant interviews and allow his pic to be taken.
Vitor
Unconventional [Listener]
Varg is a terrorist like Bin Laden
The diference is:
Varg didn't have money enough and mentally blind soldiers, but Bin Laden has, and everybody saw what he can make against the humanity
The diference is:
Varg didn't have money enough and mentally blind soldiers, but Bin Laden has, and everybody saw what he can make against the humanity
