what you think about ENGL amps

[awr]

Hello there.I am usig engl powerball amp and i kinda like the tone from it,but its not as agressive as i would like it to be.what is your experience with this amp? I want THAT machine head sound! LIke pn the more things change and the blackening-absolutely kick ass.
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I know they are using 5150.just wonder if I can get close to that sound with poweball or shoul i get 5150?

 

[Torniojaws]

The 5150 sounds completely different to a Powerball.

 

[LSD-Studio]

I really dog the Blackmore and the Savage.
The Cabs are great, too.

fot that MH sound get a 5150, that's EXACLTY what the 5150 does

 

[awr]

allright!thanks .so you reckon i can't do it with powerball?

 

[Emdprodukt]

don't ask lasse about powerballs. he hates them

 

[midget donkeys]

I haven't used a powerball, but I can bet that you would not be let down by a5150. Theres a reason so many people have one. Plus if you live in the US they are super cheap used. To really hear the 5150 scream you need to use a tube screamer and have a noise gate and possibly an eq. I almost bought an Engl when I had more money but stopped myself when I realized that 5150's were used on way more of the records I like.

 

[Ermz]

allright!thanks .so you reckon i can't do it with powerball?

You'd have more luck with the Fireball, SE or Invader. The Powerball really is a terrible amp. Still, none of those amps are voiced like the 5150.

 

[Torniojaws]

The Powerball really is a terrible amp.

Not in a live setting

 

[Machinated]

I realized that 5150's were used on way more of the records I like.

This speaks volumes for me. I don't have massive experience with ENGL's but have had a few stints with them and have been pretty unimpressed. Its not so much that they were that bad, was just expecting a LOT more considering the hype surrounding them.

 

[LSD-Studio]

Not in a live setting

that's true, the powerball does work live

 

[Fredrik-Ablaze]

If you want your powerball to sound more aggressive, try sticking a RAT in front of it.
I did to mine before i got tired of it and went for a 5150 instead.

 

[awr]

RAT?will try.funny thing with powerball is that tubescreamer has almost no effect on it!!!

 

[awr]

I have tried 6505 in music shop when i bought engl,i must say that 6505 sounded like total crap compared to engl!?Are those (6505,5150)that different in tone as well?

 

[Temps]

5150s really need a boost, and most of all IMO, they need a noise gate.. I really like my Invader though, of all the amps I've ever owned I like it the best, but I still want to get some of my old amps back like my Recto.. and maybe finally buy a 5150 too.

 

[Metaltastic]

6505 = 5150
6505+ = 5150II

What cab did you try it through, and how high was the presence?

 

[awr]

I tried with engl 4x12 cab with v30 celestions in it.tried different presence settings:everything from 9 o'clock to 3 o'clock.It does sound good,but somewhat not agressive,i would say massive and fat,but lacking that MH bite and clarity maybe!

 

[awr]

So peavey did not change anything in 6505?its same amp as 5150?Iwonder if they put in cheaper parts such as transformers and stuff in 6505?
Strange I have played 6505 in guitar center and i did not like it!confused i will go to shop again and try it out .
Anybody compared 5150 with 6505?

 

[006]

They are the same amp dude...nothing changed except the name on the front.

~006

 

[awr]

maybe try el34 in power amp to make it more agressive?

 

[Sly]

Powerball are very tricky to get right for recording purposes. I don't really like it because of that. The 5150 sounds bigger and it's really easy to dial a good tone with it. I use a tubescreamer with both the 5150 and Powerball (except when using EMG into this one).
The 5150 + a good ts pedal will get you near the Machine Head sound.
Here is a 5150 tone I recorded which I think sounds a bit like MH :
http://sylvain.raulin.free.fr/IF_Laurent/FoodForTheGods_ESPEC_lead_EQ.wav
(guitar was an ESP Eclipse)

Check this thread also, I posted some Powerball AND 5150 clips :
http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/...w-gibson-sg-tones-5150-powerball-content.html