Whats the future of metal production in the next 10 years (2010-2020)?

It all started with sampled drum libraries that sounded really robotic. Now they can sound a lot more human and better than 2 years ago, imagine in 10 years...
Same for bass guitar, electric guitar, and tuning technologies (aka Melodyne DNA, etc...), sampled orchestras, choirs...

So the trend is to be able to program everything from drums to vocals, sitted in the bedroom. That implies a lower cost than before, so as Ermz said, the home studios are going to get more commonly hired for bigger and bigger acts.

But one thing is clear: the good AEs, the ones who have proven the people what they CAN do, will prevail.
 
as for the future i can see alot more professional albums being recorded with amp sims, Electric kits, etc etc etc. it kinda sucks.

The upside is that they will become more advanced, making things a whole lot easier. Imagine having a plugin that allows you all the choices you have with real hardware now, with the exact identical sound. No more garageloads of hardware, just a simple laptop setup with "infinite" amounts of amps & drums at your disposal. Kinda rules :wave:
 
Shit. 10 years is way too long a time. We should break it down into sections of 2 or 3 years for a more real-world breakdown of this... =D
 
Moar male make-up.

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i think what ermz said is basically bang on, i think it will get to that point of everything being bedroom engineers, i myself work from my bedroom but im only starting out, (if ever get a chance to jump into a proper studio or get a good space to use ill jump at it) although i can see it ending with a full circle in which after a few years everyone will want a proper studio with a experianced enginer and a choice of ITB, OTB and maybe a nice hybrid of both, their will always be analog fiends even if they are too young to have ever worked in a time where it was your only choice,

i think the guys who take their shit seriously will always make room for hardware, becasue as close as some VST get to the original i dont know if i can ever see it acctually being the exact same,

but essentially the same thing will happen that has always happened, shit will change and everyone may have to adapt to how things are to put bread on the table
 
Extra heavy dense stuff start to decay for good old time metal. Bands in the style of the best times of Metallica and Megadeth will appear taking account melody, good songs and virtuosism. Not only speed and extra detuned guitars. Standard E tuning will come back as a standard.
 
Extra heavy dense stuff start to decay for good old time metal. Bands in the style of the best times of Metallica and Megadeth will appear taking account melody, good songs and virtuosism. Not only speed and extra detuned guitars. Standard E tuning will come back as a standard.

Interesting, I personally don't think E standard will come back in a huge way (in metal). It would be really interesting if it did though.

I do think the super downtuned (lower than B) crowd will shrink considerably. But I think that tuning D/C#/C/even B standard has become something of a lasting institution.

A lot of the trends in production/engineering/etc. will obviously follow whatever new subgenre hits it big. *core is preeminent right now, who knows if that will last another 1-2 years of if it will be the "big" thing in metal for sometime to come.

Interesting to see many of you think things will run full circle. I think that the DIY/Home recording crowd is going to hit critical saturation within the next 2-3 years. Who knows what will happen than?
 
Personally I think the music will just keep getting more extreme in every way. Listening to Animals as Leaders right now, how one man can make all that music? I don't know?!?!

It is soooooo incredible, I hope this is where the music goes for the next decade. Inhumanley talented musos having the facilities to do it all themselves. Sure the sound quality of the album isn't top knotch I just don't pay attention to sonics when the music is so good

I came across Cloud Kicker through this forum, another instrumental one man band. No where near as extreme as Animals as Leaders but still great music with less than stellar production that is only possible because of the current prices of recording gear and all the free info available on the net. Amp sims and digital drums mean a freak muso can work full time and record all night, you dont have to sell your soul to make music anymore! Maybe I will one day be able to both buy a house and make music for a living! That is incredible

Bring on the one man bands, that is the way of the future I reckon
 
In seriousness I think we will see a degradation in the quality of metal productions during the next decade, as everything moves progressively toward home studio productions done on the cheap, on the fly. ITB mixing will come closer to toppling OTB, which will barely be in use at all in metal. Tuning and editing everything to death will have become commonplace, so the overall aesthetic of metal records will homogenize even further. New engineers/producers will idolize producers/engineers who came through during this last decade, during the ITB era. Rather than basing their ambitions on guys who have done this for decades on mega expensive analogue gear in real studios, the kids will reach for influences that are 'closer to home' and more attainable. This will create a situation where the blind lead the blind, combined with labels coming to accept lower budget, lower fidelity productions & ultimately result in the aforementioned global deterioration of sonic aesthetics in the genre.

I think there may be some truth in this, but you're basing this whole theory on the assumption that the entire next decade of relevant metal bands is going to be comprised of musicians who don't appreciate the sound of drums done in a good sounding room, or an amp mic'd and dialed perfectly. Surely there will be some bands like this, but I really don't think it's reasonable to postulate that it will be quite so widespread and extreme. And when you mention labels coming to accept lower budget, lower fidelity productions, you are also assuming that the people who run labels don't pay close enough attention to production, or have a keen enough appreciation for albums that were recorded professionally. I'm certain that in the next decade of new metal bands, many of the prominent bands will play music that calls for some degree of realism and sonic professionalism.
 
I think there may be some truth in this, but you're basing this whole theory on the assumption that the entire next decade of relevant metal bands is going to be comprised of musicians who don't appreciate the sound of drums done in a good sounding room, or an amp mic'd and dialed perfectly. Surely there will be some bands like this, but I really don't think it's reasonable to postulate that it will be quite so widespread and extreme. And when you mention labels coming to accept lower budget, lower fidelity productions, you are also assuming that the people who run labels don't pay close enough attention to production, or have a keen enough appreciation for albums that were recorded professionally. I'm certain that in the next decade of new metal bands, many of the prominent bands will play music that calls for some degree of realism and sonic professionalism.

Yeah exactly. I mean... I still listen to Gong and 13th Floor Elevators .... and I grew up in the Limp Bizkit era. So the whole assumption of people being incapable of appreciating something that isn't the current trend.. it's just not true.

And as GuitarGuru recently pointed out, Sneap style techniques aren't even relevant for a band like me. Yet I'm still here learning.

You'll always get people who are trying to push out the boat and do something different to what is going on in their zeitgeist.

Music will be perfectly fine, and so will methods of capturing it. If you think otherwise... you must just be afraid of something... or old. ;)
 
My first instinct was to reply to this topic saying "It will get worse before it gets better."
Having given it some more thought, I'm tempted to leave out the "before it gets better" part of the sentence.
Although, if you want to be selective, the words "better" and "worse" in this context are completely relative.
To some people, more cleanliness, more headroom, more tools to enable to bedroom producer to thrive may be something to get very excited about.
To me, this way of working has corrupted the way I could have (and as I see it, should have) spent my time working.

I don't know though. There will always be groups that are purists of analogue, there will always be groups that thrive on technology that enables them to fulfill their visions in the comfort of their bedroom, there will be groups in the middle that encompass both sides, and there will always be individuals stuck in one position that want to be in one of the other positions, which is where I find myself (in the middle of a migratory period away from digital and moving towards pure analogue.)

Really, all this focus on technology helps achieve is people forgetting that the whole point of all of this is the music. Analogue or digital, miced amps or amp sims, it's all a means to an end to help transmutate an idea formed in your head into a more palpable medium. What matters is that the music has soul and that it comes from somewhere genuine and somewhere individual, and as far as expressing a genuine idea, expressing the individuality of the musician (yes, even the drummer too) and the soul of the piece and of the individuals involved in making said piece of music, is to throw up some mics, hit record and have the band play it live and loud, throwing themselves into their music and allowing them to feel the music making its way through their bodies, anything else is a compromise of the vision, and this forum is an embodiment of that compromise. "The drummer's sloppy? Let's program them instead, even though that will remove the soul of the drummer and his playing, whether it's a sloppy soul or a tight, to the click soul." This forum and most of its users embody this and I am the black sheep as far as ideas and methodology go, so my entire post is pretty much rendered useless. Therein lies the duality ;)

Edit: In fact, I feel the need to add to this, only a minute or two after I posted this message.
What the technology used to make music achieves is a disconnect between the musician and the engineer/producer.
I see this a lot on the forum:
"Guitarist brought in a Spider 3 and threw a hissy fit when I wanted to run him through my Mesa Dual Rectifier"
Everyone else involved in engineering chimes in with messages of support and understanding, and now I am chiming in with the opposite viewpoint.
Us engineers get so wrapped up technology and what it can bring us. It can bring us clarity, it can bring us hugeness, tightness, CONTROL. Not only control over the mix but over the music. Because we are the people that know which knobs on a compressor do what, we are the ones in control. You are no longer the musicians equal, you are no longer there to help them achieve their vision, you are there to help them achieve what YOU believe should be their vision, and because of this disconnect that has been wrought via the technology, what you believe their vision should be and what their vision actually is.
So the next time I see a complaint that a band's guitarist wanted to use his Spider instead of the Dual Rec, why not roll with it? Why not see if that little shitty Line 6 combo is helping to create an atmosphere rarely seen in music nowadays? Why not embrace the fact that it's something different, something you're not used to and something you're not comfortable with?
If this forum is the "Why?" I am the embodiment of the "Why not?"
 
On Gareth's (great) post I will add that I often find that the band with the most awesome and distinct guitar tone often have a tone that doesn't or wouldn't suit other bands or other genres very well. So yes, I agree with most part of your post.
But on the other hand, a lot of guitar player out there just have no idea of what good tone is. Having a great tone when your shredding alone at home is easy, having a guitar tone that kills in the mix is another story.
I'm just saying do not trust Line 6's tone blindly:D
 
Sure, it's our job to help moderate that stuff, to make sure everything is heard clearly and to make sure nothing gets out of whack, but even then, maybe sometimes stuff being completely out of whack frequency wise is a good thing, that's where the originality is.
 
Depends of the music genre Gareth. For obscure death metal and experimental stuff, alright, but for more mainstream music, be it melodeath or heavy metal, you don't want anything out of whack frequency wise. :p
 
What is the point of learning all these so called "rules" if you have absolutely no idea how and when to break them anyway.
 
^ Hehe.

In seriousness I think we will see a degradation in the quality of metal productions during the next decade, as everything moves progressively toward home studio productions done on the cheap, on the fly. ITB mixing will come closer to toppling OTB, which will barely be in use at all in metal. Tuning and editing everything to death will have become commonplace, so the overall aesthetic of metal records will homogenize even further. New engineers/producers will idolize producers/engineers who came through during this last decade, during the ITB era. Rather than basing their ambitions on guys who have done this for decades on mega expensive analogue gear in real studios, the kids will reach for influences that are 'closer to home' and more attainable. This will create a situation where the blind lead the blind, combined with labels coming to accept lower budget, lower fidelity productions & ultimately result in the aforementioned global deterioration of sonic aesthetics in the genre.

the OP was asking about the future, not what's happening right now. :D

I'm thinking more organic sounds are in the future. People are going to find the samples and autotune to be a dated sound (already is).