When is the next reveal?

[Jibrille]

Glenn did say last year that he thought this year would be the year of prog bands as last year was predominantly power metal.

 

[Cheiron]

Sort of. He also stated this year that he was wrong about prog bands. That he realized that a lot of people on this forum love prog, but that a lot of the festival goers prefer power.

 

[Metaldrumz]

Im with those that dont like Death Vocals.

Its all a matter of preference. IMO theres nothing appealing to my ears when a guy (or girl) growls and grunts into a microphone. If its used as an added effect I dont mind it, but when its the key ingredient for a bands melodies (if you can call em that) and songs, than I have no interest.

Its no different than people who hate singers like Geoff Tate, and Midnight. I happen to love those singers, but theres many many metalheads who find that style of singing annoying.

As long as PPUSA doesnt become a festival with a majority of the bands being growl vocals, than Im not concerned.

 

[AngraRULES]

Maybe it is you that has been brainwashed into thinking that screaming & growling into a microphone is talent and you should accept it.

I have to vehemently disagree with you there. You don't need to appreciate talent in order to recognize it. I don't like Christina Aguilera, but I am aware she has lots of talent.

That being said, whoever thinks somebody like Mikael Akerfeldt from Opeth has no talent in his singing/growling, has to be out of their mind.

It's one thing to not like it, and another to say it doesn't have any talent. I suggest you look into the differences in these two.

 

[Harvester]

I have to vehemently disagree with you there. You don't need to appreciate talent in order to recognize it. I don't like Christina Aguilera, but I am aware she has lots of talent.

That being said, whoever thinks somebody like Mikael Akerfeldt from Opeth has no talent in his singing/growling, has to be out of their mind.

It's one thing to not like it, and another to say it doesn't have any talent. I suggest you look into the differences in these two.

EXCELLENT post.

 

[AngraRULES]

Thank you, Glenn. To me it sounds like common sense, which obviously some people here don't have.

 

[Jibrille]

Personally, I never liked any growling until I started listening to a few B&tB bands. After Forver being one of the main ones. Then I slowly moved onto other bands. Opeth was one of the first male only bands with growling. There's still plenty I don't like but I find myself liking more and more bands. I've been listening to Haggard and Ensiferum almost nonstop for the last 2 weeks.

For some humor you should listen to nekrogolbikon (they're on myspace). Some of the pitches they manage in that growling are scary.

 

[ashaman7122]

Wow...what a totally unenlightened, close-minded statement...



Cut me some slack. I've tried, very hard, to get into bands that use death vocals. I really, really, wanted to like Children of Bodom, In Flames, Sentenced and Mercenary. I did end up liking Orphaned Land and I LOVE one Mercenary song, 11 Dreams(although strangely nothing else).

I just don't see what death vocals add to a song that clean singing couldn't convey just as well.

As for what an oddball is, it used to be we knew right away who the oddball was. In the last two Progpowers we couldn't agree. Everyone thought Orphaned Land was a perfect oddball, but then Glenn says it's PC69. Last year we had Mercenary(who was the PPIV oddball), but the real oddball was Freak Kitchen.

I'm thinking that death vocals are now standard and anything that is more rock than metal is now oddball. Which means either we're getting a good hard rock band this year or two or three death vox bands.

Sorry, dude, no hard feelings...didn't mean to single you out.

I'm very grudgingly being exposed to and beginning to accept some of the harsh vox myself. Coming from a signing background, it just goes against my grain.

It's true, though...getting harder to tell the "oddballs" as time goes by...I guess that's a good thing...Glenn keeps us guessing.

 

[BenMech]

It would be kinda nice if Glenn (and Shane) programmed the fest so that each band is the oddball compared to the other 9 (or 13 if you count Shane's night).

 

[Harvester]

It would be kinda nice if Glenn (and Shane) programmed the fest so that each band is the oddball compared to the other 9 (or 13 if you count Shane's night).

You do that and you sell 200 tickets total.

 

[AngraRULES]

It would be kinda nice if Glenn (and Shane) programmed the fest so that each band is the oddball compared to the other 9 (or 13 if you count Shane's night).

It would be a financial fiasco for them. I'm sure if that ever happened, they'd never put the festival together again.

 

[BenMech]

understood.

disappointed, but understood

 

[manowarfan1]

You do that and you sell 200 tickets total.

Not to mention give Glenn & Shane grey hair trying to compare each band to each other to determine the appropriate level of quirkiness - woo hoo, thought he had stress before - he'd have to change the name to StressFest or the "I'm still friggin' evaluating bands fest" LOL It'd be like taking the SAT's all over again:

Lets see - Christina Aguilera is to Iced Earth as Symphony X is to:
a) Spice Girls Reunion
b) The Rutles
c) Slayer
d) Country Joe and the Fish

Hey - ya know, this might not be taht bad - you wanna talk about variety

jeff

 

[Ascension]

I have to vehemently disagree with you there. You don't need to appreciate talent in order to recognize it. I don't like Christina Aguilera, but I am aware she has lots of talent.

That being said, whoever thinks somebody like Mikael Akerfeldt from Opeth has no talent in his singing/growling, has to be out of their mind.

It's one thing to not like it, and another to say it doesn't have any talent. I suggest you look into the differences in these two.

Ok...l think Mikael has no talent, out of my mind or not...does not appeal to me & never will. If it doesn't appeal to me...it's because l don't percieve talent...pure & simple. l'm black & white that way. Sure...it's an opinion and l'm very fond of mine.
Christina on the other hand appeals to me greatly...she's hot, but that's a whole other kinda talent...nuff said.

 

[TheWhisper]

That being said, whoever thinks somebody like Mikael Akerfeldt from Opeth has no talent in his singing/growling, has to be out of their mind.

It's one thing to not like it, and another to say it doesn't have any talent. I suggest you look into the differences in these two.

There is a difference between knowing someone has talent and thinking that a certain aspect of their performance doesn't take any talent to pull off. Mikael Akerfeldt, just to use your example, certainly has talent and I don't think anyone would deny that fact but, saying that his growling doesn't require talent to perform, is completely different than saying he has no talent. His songwriting skills and his normal singing voice, which is fantastic by the way, is proof of his talent, but, again imo, growling/screaming requires no discernable talent, or skill, to perform.

 

[TheWhisper]

Ok...l think Mikael has no talent, out of my mind or not...does not appeal to me & never will. If it doesn't appeal to me...it's because l don't percieve talent...pure & simple. l'm black & white that way. Sure...it's an opinion and l'm very fond of mine.
Christina on the other hand appeals to me greatly...she's hot, but that's a whole other kinda talent...nuff said.

Dude, I was with ya until you said MA has no talent.

 

[adaher]

It's true, though...getting harder to tell the "oddballs" as time goes by...I guess that's a good thing...Glenn keeps us guessing.


That bastard is trying to get us to expand our horizons!

 

[AngraRULES]

Ok...l think Mikael has no talent, out of my mind or not...

Out of your mind, yes.

If it doesn't appeal to me...it's because l don't percieve talent...pure & simple. l'm black & white that way.

We've noticed that before.

Christina on the other hand appeals to me greatly...she's hot, but that's a whole other kinda talent...nuff said.

Whenever we're talking about a female musician and somebody instantly says that the biggest talent they see on her is her physical attributes, the person's reply automatically loses validity and credibility, as well as my opinion about the person's capability of coming up with a good response. Great job!!

 

[AngraRULES]

There is a difference between knowing someone has talent and thinking that a certain aspect of their performance doesn't take any talent to pull off. Mikael Akerfeldt, just to use your example, certainly has talent and I don't think anyone would deny that fact but, saying that his growling doesn't require talent to perform, is completely different than saying he has no talent. His songwriting skills and his normal singing voice, which is fantastic by the way, is proof of his talent, but, again imo, growling/screaming requires no discernable talent, or skill, to perform.

I understand your point of view completely. However, I have to say that as far as I'm concerned, there are different types of growling, and if you are into singing at all (Not sure if that's the case), you would know that some way growling is done does require training and talent, yes.

For instance, if you take the vocalist (or screamer) for Napalm Death... I would be the first one to say that to do what he does, it's required absolutely 0% talent. I've seen them live before and all he seems to do is scream the living shit out of his lungs. He sounds horrible. Always.

The way Akerfeldt does it though, is different. Think about it, do you think anybody can pull out what he does? His growls are deep and powerful and all of a sudden he swtiches to an incredible, soothing clean voice. I don't know man, to me that's talent. He's got incredible technique over it, good breathing control and the most important, he knows how to do it without damaging his vocal cords. I know for instance that if you wanna do growling for a long time, you cannot be forcing your voice all the way. Instead, you must rely on your diaphragm a lot more. Being able to take advantage of having a microphone is a beautiful thing.

I wish I knew more about growling, but I never really deeply studied it (although I've been singing for quite a while). It's all a matter of learning how to do it properly. And in many cases, it does require talent.

 

[Ascension]

Out of your mind, yes.

Then again...you think growling/screaming is a talent...obviously your judgement is skewed.

We've noticed that before.[

Thanks for the recognition. It's a deserved trait l have.

Whenever we're talking about a female musician and somebody instantly says that the biggest talent they see on her is her physical attributes, the person's reply automatically loses validity and credibility, as well as my opinion about the person's capability of coming up with a good response. Great job!!

Tongue in cheek...tongue in cheek to go with your choice of comparison. And of course, it's your opinion...which matters very little to me. But l'm glad l'm fulfilling your day.