Where do clean vocals exist outside of power, prog, trad, and doom?
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I agree entirely, particularly on the debut. The latter stuff maybe not because it's a bit more blast beat central, but the debut is pagan goodness needing as many clean chants as possible. A bit more "Bergtatt" and a little less "Helheim".
skyrefuge
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Ah, ok, now this thread makes a lot more sense after this post.
I think it probably has a little less to do with talent/creativity than it does with risk-taking. The two 45% groups have very well-defined genre-names that can be applied to them. The whole framework and fanbase is already there. In contrast, if you're in the 10% group, a record label says, "uh, sorry, we think you're great, but we'd have no idea how to promote you!" It's much safer to do something that you can easily sell to brain-dead fans with a "Sounds Like..." sticker stuck to the CD.
Of course, the existence of pre-fab genres makes it easier for completely uncreative bands to get attention too, but I'm sure there are lots of quite-creative people out there playing to a genre just because they have bills to pay.
Sometimes I think that the "doom" genre is lucky to have escaped this 10%. Maybe it's because I'm not a doom-freak, but I feel like the number of "doom" bands is relatively small compared to other genres. But at some point the number of bands playing that kind of music reached a critical mass, coalesced into the genre someone cleverly labeled "doom", and then continued to attract more bands, because, "hey, now there's this new 'doom' genre! It's safe for use to do that..." So it's almost like there's a precedent for bands that want to lift themselves out of the dreaded 10% without compromising their ideals: they just need to find a good coalition of similar bands and come up with a clever name.
Anyway, now that someone finally mentioned Orphaned Land, the only big one I have left is Root! Oh, did anyone hit Solefald yet? And Green Carnation? Ok, I'll stop, there's probably a ton more! (like you, a lot of my favorite bands come from this 10%)
It's interesting to note that there are very few real "singers" in the bands that have been mentioned so far. Meaning people that wouldn't get laughed out of an American Idol audition. And that probably points to the fact that there are very few good singers out there in general, which is why so many bands just go straight for the growls.
Speaking of American Idol, actually all mainstream/major-label metal bands fit in that 10% (Disturbed, Coheed & Cambria, etc.)
Neil
Yea, the debut and 1184 are my favourites, I really liked the guy they had doing clean vocals.
Arckanum dosent use much clean vocals, but I think they use them brilliantly in some songs, and again wish they would use them more as well.
My word. That's a 5 star post right there.
Rep points heading your way!!
Feel free to post here more often.
Dark One
The Tainted Dogma
My word. That's a 5 star post right there.
Rep points heading your way!!
Feel free to post here more often.
I've been wishing that for the four years we've had the forum. I've often felt that much of his tastes ran in line with the tons of band discussions we've had here. To a much larger degree than Perpetual Motion anyway. Aside from taste, his sharp intellect, satirical wit and his ability to get straight to the heart of the matter in any long winded thread earn him an MVP status on any board I've witnessed him being a large part of.
BTW, you do know he's the Iced Earth webmaster right? He witnessed the Alive in Athens shows up close and personal, and was the sole reason for my discovery of "Morningrise" in 1998, not to mention Arcturus, Waylander, In the Woods, and many more. We had some extremely cool discussions back in the day on the old Iced Earth forum and earlier versions of Perpetual Motion. You can imagine my thoughts run a little to the
side as well.Oh yeah, he'll be at HC II in case you missed it.
Jason
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Dark One
The Tainted Dogma
In a completely non teh ghey way, yep. In reality though, more like credit where credit's due.
Jason
skyrefuge
Member
haha, yeah, let's all keep our dicks in our pants, gentlemen.
That said, Jason's right, I should probably post here more. Glenn's posts at the PPUSA forum where he contrasted that board's music with this board's prodded me to check this place out some more. And also, just comparing the HC lineup/concept with the PPUSA lineup/concept helped too. I was like "oh yeah, I forgot, that's the kind of stuff I like, why am I wasting time following this prog hoo-hah?"
Actually, it was a few months ago that I checked this place out for the first time in a long time. I was like "whoa, they're talking about Dornenreich! Awesome!" I called up all my friends and relatives and told them "They're talking about Dornenreich!!!" Then I actually looked at that thread. I was absolutely crushed to see that it was nothing more than a joke thread. I spent the next month crying, and then it was a couple months after that until I could forgive you guys for such painful deception and build up enough courage to return here. So if anyone ever feels the need to butt-fuck me, please, do it gently; I'm very sensitive!
Neil
That said, Jason's right, I should probably post here more. Glenn's posts at the PPUSA forum where he contrasted that board's music with this board's prodded me to check this place out some more. And also, just comparing the HC lineup/concept with the PPUSA lineup/concept helped too. I was like "oh yeah, I forgot, that's the kind of stuff I like, why am I wasting time following this prog hoo-hah?"
Actually, it was a few months ago that I checked this place out for the first time in a long time. I was like "whoa, they're talking about Dornenreich! Awesome!" I called up all my friends and relatives and told them "They're talking about Dornenreich!!!" Then I actually looked at that thread. I was absolutely crushed to see that it was nothing more than a joke thread. I spent the next month crying, and then it was a couple months after that until I could forgive you guys for such painful deception and build up enough courage to return here. So if anyone ever feels the need to butt-fuck me, please, do it gently; I'm very sensitive!
Neil
Demilich
Remember
Actually, I was just pleased that after a bunch of people found this thread confusing, someone came along and offered a well thought out and apt response. Reminded me of the old days of RC for a moment. 
Otherwise, I have no idea who this "skyrefuge" is. Wasn't this his first post here?
I stand by this list of 10%ers being some of my favoUrite artists. If I compiled a list of all bands suggested thus far in this thread, most of them would be at the top of my listening/collectors list.
Otherwise, I have no idea who this "skyrefuge" is. Wasn't this his first post here?
I stand by this list of 10%ers being some of my favoUrite artists. If I compiled a list of all bands suggested thus far in this thread, most of them would be at the top of my listening/collectors list.
BenMech
student of the d'eh
The original question was vague enough to include 80s HairMetal bands (the ilk of Poison, Motley, Ratt, GnR, etc)
Oh I see. So people were thinking "opera" or "bluegrass". OK, no I assumed everyone realized I was confining this to metal, not rock.
Honestly, I didn't know what you were getting at, at first. You could've just said "What bands have clean vocals but play outside normal genre restrictions". Would've made it much clearer. But you listed some incoherent definitions of singing styles, that didn't seem to have much to do with your actual question, and that threw me (and seemingly others) off.
Oh, and I'm glad that someone besides me recognizes that most bands use growls because they can't sing (was a side-note in Neil's post). There are a few exceptions, like Opeth, but they're really rare. I tried to say this years ago on some other boards and got bashed by everyone and their dog because I somehow offended their fairy-tale belief that all growlers are somehow great singers, but that growling actually takes "more talent".
If you really want some recommendations for bands that aren't genre-bound, I'm more than happy to give some. However, I've been reluctant to do so because they always seem pretty unappreciated. For the most part, all most of the people here like is black metal, folk metal, doom metal, and classic metal. Oh, and Erik loves thrash. And that's totally fine; I get some interesting recommendations here occasionally. But, when I recommend something truly unique, it gets ignored or bashed (case-in-point, Psykup). So I've quit trying.
Or maybe I'm totally misunderstanding what this thread is about.
Oh, and I'm glad that someone besides me recognizes that most bands use growls because they can't sing (was a side-note in Neil's post). There are a few exceptions, like Opeth, but they're really rare. I tried to say this years ago on some other boards and got bashed by everyone and their dog because I somehow offended their fairy-tale belief that all growlers are somehow great singers, but that growling actually takes "more talent".
If you really want some recommendations for bands that aren't genre-bound, I'm more than happy to give some. However, I've been reluctant to do so because they always seem pretty unappreciated. For the most part, all most of the people here like is black metal, folk metal, doom metal, and classic metal. Oh, and Erik loves thrash. And that's totally fine; I get some interesting recommendations here occasionally. But, when I recommend something truly unique, it gets ignored or bashed (case-in-point, Psykup). So I've quit trying.
Or maybe I'm totally misunderstanding what this thread is about.
Dark One
The Tainted Dogma
Otherwise, I have no idea who this "skyrefuge" is. Wasn't this his first post here?
WTF?
I told you in my man jizz post on page two.Neil, I promise to keep the butt banging posts to a minimum, but you gotta know that if you hang around long enough, not even the might and wrath of Trapped era Rage can hold them off from everyone else.
Jason
Dark One
The Tainted Dogma
