Consuming Impulse
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i think there is nothing wrong with multiculturism. anyone who has a probably with multiculturasim can fuck off.
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Norsemaiden
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The trouble with multiculturalism is that it ends up as a monoculture, which would be both boring and tragic. If you want to have a multitude of cultures you have to keep them apart. Is that not logical?
We are ending up with a monoculture. And do you know what that monoculture is? Think every town with the same shops and the same powerful financial monopolies controlling everything. The same American based programmes and films the world over. The same money-worshipping values, the loss of any sense of belonging somewhere or caring about one's own community - and thus not caring about anyone except yourself - being a cog in a wheel of the artificial monoculture. It means nearly everyone being a rootless slave to the powerful minority elite.
The Project for the New American Century plans to mold every country into its ideal of how the monoculture should be. The only permitted superpower is the US. I don't know how well they will succeed, but they will certainly turn the world into shit in the attempt.
They want everyone to think like Consuming Impulse on this.
Demilich may be right that all is already lost. But that is defeatist talk and I want to be postitive.
We are ending up with a monoculture. And do you know what that monoculture is? Think every town with the same shops and the same powerful financial monopolies controlling everything. The same American based programmes and films the world over. The same money-worshipping values, the loss of any sense of belonging somewhere or caring about one's own community - and thus not caring about anyone except yourself - being a cog in a wheel of the artificial monoculture. It means nearly everyone being a rootless slave to the powerful minority elite.
The Project for the New American Century plans to mold every country into its ideal of how the monoculture should be. The only permitted superpower is the US. I don't know how well they will succeed, but they will certainly turn the world into shit in the attempt.
They want everyone to think like Consuming Impulse on this.
Demilich may be right that all is already lost. But that is defeatist talk and I want to be postitive.
Demilich
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I believe that segregation of cultures is a lost cause. This is true for many reasons, some of which may be speculation, but others are hardly refutable. Here are a few ideas:
1) Even if we DID determine that it was a feasible, realistic idea to separate each culture, not everybody would want to. Some people do support the idea of merging cultures.
2) The way things are now, with the extent of interracial breeding that has already occurred, lineage is often unclear. If people were seperated by ethnicity, what would become of these "mixed breeds"? If anything, they represent the emergence of new types of culture.
3) The monoculture which results from multicultural society, aside from leading to the dissolution of the respective cultures, allows for a lot of interesting combinations of various cultures. Arts, food, literature, etc. as of the 21st century exist in a globalized way that indicates the need to move away from thinking of each individual race as possessing a distinct, pure, uniform culture that can be returned to if people of this race are separated. Every race in this world which has access to TV, the internet, airplanes, boats, telephones, international commerce, etc. has experienced sufficient influence from international cultures that their own culture would not be the same without. Look, for example, at all the Western influence which sept into Japanese culture following the Meiji Restoration in the 1800s. To distill Japanese culture, or indeed any specific culture, from the myriad outside influences which have been prevalent for at least a century would be nearly impossible.
So, to sum up, I can admit that I have a bit of a romantic attachment to the idea of seperation of cultures. It would save a LOT of trouble. However, realistically, I find that it would be infeasible, and even if it was somehow achieved, would not indicate that we had achieved the restoration of what was in the past, but that we had pulled all the different "ingredients" out of the melting pot and were hoping that too much hadn't been mixed together already.
I hope I'm making sense with all this. I can't really cite anyone or anything, I've been thinking it all out as I go.
1) Even if we DID determine that it was a feasible, realistic idea to separate each culture, not everybody would want to. Some people do support the idea of merging cultures.
2) The way things are now, with the extent of interracial breeding that has already occurred, lineage is often unclear. If people were seperated by ethnicity, what would become of these "mixed breeds"? If anything, they represent the emergence of new types of culture.
3) The monoculture which results from multicultural society, aside from leading to the dissolution of the respective cultures, allows for a lot of interesting combinations of various cultures. Arts, food, literature, etc. as of the 21st century exist in a globalized way that indicates the need to move away from thinking of each individual race as possessing a distinct, pure, uniform culture that can be returned to if people of this race are separated. Every race in this world which has access to TV, the internet, airplanes, boats, telephones, international commerce, etc. has experienced sufficient influence from international cultures that their own culture would not be the same without. Look, for example, at all the Western influence which sept into Japanese culture following the Meiji Restoration in the 1800s. To distill Japanese culture, or indeed any specific culture, from the myriad outside influences which have been prevalent for at least a century would be nearly impossible.
So, to sum up, I can admit that I have a bit of a romantic attachment to the idea of seperation of cultures. It would save a LOT of trouble. However, realistically, I find that it would be infeasible, and even if it was somehow achieved, would not indicate that we had achieved the restoration of what was in the past, but that we had pulled all the different "ingredients" out of the melting pot and were hoping that too much hadn't been mixed together already.
I hope I'm making sense with all this. I can't really cite anyone or anything, I've been thinking it all out as I go.
Consuming Impulse
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Norsemaiden said:
you are kind of a racist. when being kind of a racist will lead to becoming a racist. ive seen it happen. id rather to have a monoculture so racism wont exist anymore and plus, i am half black and white. im gonna be frank when i say this.
HAIL MULTICULTURISM AND LET IT BE THE END OF RACISM! THE ONES WHO DISAGREE HAVE THEIR HEADS UP THEIR ASSES CAUSE THEY HAVE A HIGH OPINION ON THEIR RACE AND THEY LOVE THEIR RACE SO MUCH AND THEY CANT EXCEPT MULTICULTURISM MEANING THEY WILL LATER JOIN THE KLAN AND OFFICIALLY BE A COCKSUCKING SUPREMACIST MORON!
Consuming Impulse
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Demilich said:
no your not making sence of all. your just showing that your a racist or your half racist like norsemaiden is.
Demilich
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Did you read what I wrote at all? I'd really like to know which part of it made you think of me as a racist?
I think you'll find that if you think about it, there are good and bad points to just about everything, multiculturalism included. Norsemaiden has done well to point out some of its pitfalls.
I think you'll find that if you think about it, there are good and bad points to just about everything, multiculturalism included. Norsemaiden has done well to point out some of its pitfalls.
Consuming Impulse
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the whole concept of being anti multiculturism is racist. segeragation is wrong and stupid. only half racists or whole racists support that shit and you saying that "mixed breeds" shit highly offended me cause i am a "mixed breed" the thing multiculturisim is gonna solve is the end of racism.Demilich said:
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I had a friend who'se mom's boyfriend was in the KKK. He seemed like a angry/lost/skinhead/biker/southern white trash guy who wanted to feel like a part of something. Every time I went to his house he didn't do or say anything to me, probably because he knew my friend's mom would bitch slap his ass out of the house lol (I am a Latino btw). I actually feel more sorry for the guy because he has to lower himself as a human being that much to feel a sense of belonging.
Norsemaiden
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Consuming Impulse said:
Earlier on you referred to "my people" - so this suggests you have some sort of group identity and loyalty. Even if all races are obliterated by multiculturalism, people will still have loyalties to who they can call "my people" and there will still be an "us and them" mentality - for example by many different religious cults forming, as happened in India. You see multiculturalism as good especially because it would mean more people like you. So that totally explains your position. And it is not my position. Your priority is what you see as best for you first and for who you call your people, secondly. It is not about what is actually best for the future of mankind or the planet. You don't care if everywhere becomes like India or any similar nation.
From Agence France-Presse:
2006-05-05
Millions of people in poverty-ridden northern India are drinking water laced with cancer-causing chemicals, a government minister said Friday.
A report released this week by the public works department in India's most populous state of Uttar Pradesh, said the water was "not fit for human consumption" and could lead to cancer and other illnesses.
Contaminants such as arsenic, lead and cadmium were present in groundwater sources tested in 42 out of 70 districts, State Urban Development Minister Mohammed Azam Khan said, describing the findings as "frightening."
"Once contaminated, it is very difficult to purify the water," the report added.
The minister said the state would ask the World Bank for help in providing clean water.
Doctors said there had been an upsurge in cancer among Uttar Pradesh's 180 million people in recent years, which could be linked to the polluted water.
"If people are drinking water containing lead and arsenic it's bound to cause cancer sooner or later," said Sandeep Agarwal, a cancer specialist at the government-run King George's Medical College hospital.
"Cancer has become very common even in young people. Earlier only 600 to 700 cancer cases were detected (at the college) a year but now the number is over 2,000," he said, adding that contaminated water could be one of the key causes.
The majority of the sick were from rural areas, where untreated groundwater was the only source of drinking water," he said.
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That's the future for our greatgrandchildren.
Demilich
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Consuming Impulse said:
Demilich said:
These lines from my above post show that I am not "pro-segregation." I've said many times that I don't think it is a feasible option, despite a slight romantic attachment to the possibility of avoiding a lot of racist conflict in the future. Also, I'm a "mixed breed" myself, so I'm not sure how you'd even go about insinuating that I value segregation of cultures.
Here's an idea that may be beneficial to you in the long run: not everything is so black and white (If you'll pardon the expression). Not everyone is going to be pro-multiculturalism or anti-multiculturalism. Multiculturalism, like anything else, has its pros and cons. I was simply giving my own analysis of the pros and cons of the situation and stating what they meant to me.
Ah well, if you continue to see me as a racist, I suppose there's very little I can do to counteract that. Its up to you. All I can do is present my argument and hope you understand.
Demilich
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Norsemaiden said:
Let me get this straight: If we don't stop multiculturalism now, our great grandchildren will live in Northern India? Now you're starting to show a bit of racist flair. Do you believe that multiculturalism means that your people's blood will be diluted by those of "inferior" peoples and that your offspring's lifestyle is at risk by exposure to these people?
The problem of unsafe water is not a cultural issue. Large scale problems with drinking water probably exist far closer to home than you'd care to expect.
Furthermore, you seem to have a problem with Consuming Impulse looking out for the interests of "his people," yet seem to be pretty concerned with a future for your people over the future for, say, those Northern Indian rural people who haven't got safe water to drink. In the grand scheme of things, who is more important? An Englishwoman sitting behind a desktop spewing forth theories which dismiss the reality of our world, or those whose reality itself lacks one of the most basic needs that we have in excess?
Norsemaiden
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Demilich said:
I see what you mean, but it's really hard to explain to you what I mean. A point is just that Consuming impulse seems to define who "his people" are purely on the basis of skin, and everyone who is half breed (or non- white?) counts as his people - which is racist against whites. Wheas I count the majority of whites as NOT being my people and I would consider some non-whites as being acceptable as my people. For me it is about possessing certain qualities of character, regardless of skin colour, so I am less racist. Crucial to this is the belief that these qualities of character are rare genetic traits and that inequality exists in how they are distributed throughout the world. You may say it is just by chance that the Nordic peoples have a strong sense of social justice and fairness, and high expectations of quality and safety in their environment, or that it is the privilege of them being more wealthy. But I don't share that view, and that is not out of evilness, but merely out of my observation and conclusion. I also observe that these qualities are disappearing. In any case, multiculturalism is (IMO) going to drastically impoverish every population that embraces it, and so whether it is wealth that makes the whiter countries less corrupt and safer to live in than places like India, Mexico, Nicaragua, Brazil, Columbia, etc or whether it is genetic, either way this will be lost. You may disagree, but if you do so by throwing around insults like calling me "racist",etc and cannot present a reasonable argument to back up the reason I am wrong (I wish I was wrong) then you are just reacting in an an automatic reflex.
Demilich
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I wasn't trying to insult you by calling you racist. I merely said you exhibited some "racist flair," which you continue to show in your proposed union of specific social characteristics with genetics. I don't have a problem with you showing some racist inclinations, an I woul definitely not call anyone a "racist." I don't see it as such a simple distinction. If you don't see yourself as a racist, I'm prepared to accept that you are a non-racist with some racist inclinations and leave it at that. I'm not trying to devalue your arguments based on calling you racist, simply making an observation.
I do take exception to the linking of these valued qualities of character to genetic/biological/race-defined terms. I will not, however, use your subscription to this theory as grounds to invalidate your argument. I'll simply present my case against it, which is to say that I believe it to be reductionistic to propose one main reason for these qualities of character you describe. Evidence exists to suggest that they are not simply genetic OR socially constructed OR influenced by all kinds of other things, but a mix of various influences, both seen and unseen to observers such as you and I.
And,
Did he not say he was half white as well as half black?
I do take exception to the linking of these valued qualities of character to genetic/biological/race-defined terms. I will not, however, use your subscription to this theory as grounds to invalidate your argument. I'll simply present my case against it, which is to say that I believe it to be reductionistic to propose one main reason for these qualities of character you describe. Evidence exists to suggest that they are not simply genetic OR socially constructed OR influenced by all kinds of other things, but a mix of various influences, both seen and unseen to observers such as you and I.
And,
Did he not say he was half white as well as half black?
Norsemaiden
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Well he said the KKK were lynching his people which suggests that he doesn't see whites as being his people (not that the KKK is representative of whites). The use of the term "my people" suggests that some people are NOT his people, a distinction is being made. Don't you think that people will always have feelings about some people being their people and others not their people, and that often (but not always) this will mean hostility towards the others? If you take race out of the equasion, there'll always be something else dividing people that takes its place. We agree on that I think. 
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Demilich
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Norsemaiden said:If you take race out of the equasion, there'll always be something else dividing people that takes its place. We agree on that I think.
I think we may even agree on more than that. I just want to advise you to be careful not to jump to conclusions with Consuming Impulse (as he seems to have done with me). It isn't fair to add all that value to his statement about the KKK when in reality he may have meant any number of things. Argument based on presumed conviction or presumed alignment with a cause limits the reliability of the argument. Or something.
LORD_RED_DRAGON
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i don't have a problem with multiculturism at all, i just have a problem with those people that decide to live in america without learning a single fucking word of english when blue-eyed-blonde cosplayers become comepletely fluent in Japaneese when they're only going to be in Japan for one week a yearConsuming Impulse said:
i'm not asking the mexicans to stop eating mexican food or stop listening to their annoying spanish language music or stop celebrating "cinco de mayo"
i'm not even asking anybody to be comepletely fluent, just learn enough that i don't need to speak spanish when i drive through the drive-through at every single fucking fast food place or try to order a pizza or get a cab
Demilich
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LORD_RED_DRAGON said:
"Could I possibly speak to somebody who didn't come to this country on a floating door?"
LORD_RED_DRAGON
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stewie griffin at the electronics shopDemilich said:"Could I possibly speak to somebody who didn't come to this country on a floating door?"
but seriously it really has gotton so bad i can never find anyone that speaks english when i get fast food order pizza or call a cab, it's frustrating
Consuming Impulse
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Norsemaiden said:
I never thought of it so I could be happy there would be more people like me. I thought of it being the end of sick racist cocksuckers who should be butchered. I care about the end of racism and multiculturism is the only non-violent answer. See, if other people marry utside their race, racists will be a minority of people unlike today. The racists will eventrally die and theyre will be no more racism.
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