Who invented Blastbeats?

[lumen]

Originally posted by Trapped

Lars' drumming isn't too bad, and in some spots he actually does some pretty cool stuff on AJFA.... He is actually a pretty damn good drummer now, listen to S&M... he nails EVERYTHING. ha ha... ANd all this after i started the Lars Bashing... )

I think Lars would be an awesome drummer if someone would suture his mouth shut.

 

[Alexandre]

Lars´ahelluvadrumma.

"...and Justice" has a great drum sound in my opinion (some might find it a little too clean, but it´s tasty to listen to). Shame about the poor bass guitar sound, though.

 

[svenske kocken]

The Crowns Janne Saarenpää is the king of blast beats. The way he uses them is just so cool. And their new album, Crowned In Terror, is a total killer! I got it today, and it kicks ass. A little bit more melodic than Deathrace King and Hell Is Here, and with Tompa Lindberg doing some amazing vocals.

 

[yourdeadgroom]

I've actually heard the blast used in jazz!!!!!!! When I was doing music at university, they got this jazz group from america who were touring the country to come in and give a small concert. It was just your standard 4 piece thing (axe/bass/piano/drum), but at some stage when they were getting freaky, the drummer just let rip. It was only for about 10 seconds, but there it was. It wasn't even the drum solo. And the guy must have been in his 50s. I could not believe it!!!

And have to agree with Hearse about Dark Tranquility. Thier drummer used to annoy the hell out of me.

I think Trym uses blasts well. In Anthems.., I get more of a sense of dynamics with it, than just for the sake of it. He does it alot when the guitars are playing fast riffs, and it just adds to the tension.

And Hellhammer's the man, IMHO. He's a friggin metronome.

 

[BillowOfZeal]

Originally posted by Lee_B
From a Punk perspective you'd be looking at bands like Deathwish, Deep Wound, DRI, NYC Mayhem, Rapt and Larm. These bands were around in 1982-84.

The first metal band I ever heard who used blastbeats for the main part was Genocide, who later became Repulsion.

Repulsion gets my vote. Listen to the Horrified album. Forget the production and marvel at the quality of the riffs.

Very schooled, teach me the ways of the "metal" force. Oh and don't forget about SEIGE, blasting in 82 or 83 i believe.

 

[Lee_B]

Originally posted by BillowOfZeal


Very schooled, teach me the ways of the "metal" force. Oh and don't forget about SEIGE, blasting in 82 or 83 i believe.

Siege came along in about 84, which is a little later than the other bands I mentioned and which is why I left 'em out. Great band though, and probably my personal favorite of that old Boston sound.

Going back to Repulsion, I believe that Relapse are going to be re-releasing "Horrified" again as a two disc package, featuring the later 7" and some live tracks. That'll be well worth picking up, I'm sure.

 

[BillowOfZeal]

Originally posted by Lee_B


Siege came along in about 84, which is a little later than the other bands I mentioned and which is why I left 'em out. Great band though, and probably my personal favorite of that old Boston sound.

Going back to Repulsion, I believe that Relapse are going to be re-releasing "Horrified" again as a two disc package, featuring the later 7" and some live tracks. That'll be well worth picking up, I'm sure.

My bad, oh metal jedi. I have heard it several times but do not own Horrified. So I will surely pick that up, thanks.

 

[TempleGod]

Uh, could someone help me out here...what are blast beats?

 

[Malaclypse]

hey cool, so i don't have to ask the dumb question of the day

 

[TempleGod]

yeah you're off the hook this time

 

[yourdeadgroom]

Blast beats are when the drummer goes mental on his snare drum- really fast, repetitive hitting (blam-blam-blam-blam etc.. ). To give a practical illustration, take your left hand and hit your keyboard 50 times as fast as you can. This is blast beat.

I would also like to point out that I accept no responsibility for damage occurring to your keyboard if you just tried that.

 

[Misanthrope]

Anthrax? dout it. This is something it cant be atributed to metal, i know punk and crust bands that were doing blast as early as the 70s, and i dont think judas priest or maiden did blasts so i think we can all blame or praise the punk for this one.

 

[Misanthrope]

Originally posted by Trapped
Blast Beats suck ass, and they show a lack of creativity in the drum department, no matter how fast and difficult they may be.

So you think flo mournier from cryptopsy has a lack of creativity in the drum deparment? Richard Christy has a lack of creativity? damn it those are 2 of the best goddamn drummers there are, if not the top 2 drummers of today's death metal and maybe among the best of all metal, and they show lack of creativity in the drum department cause they are fond on blast? its like saying all guitar players that use tapping show lack of creativity in the solo department when infact some of the best guitar players out there use blast drumming tastefully inside complex guitar melodies, just as some drummers use blast inside complex drumming.

 

[RETIREDTrapped]

So you think flo mournier from cryptopsy has a lack of creativity in the drum deparment? Richard Christy has a lack of creativity? damn it those are 2 of the best goddamn drummers there are, if not the top 2 drummers of today's death metal and maybe among the best of all metal, and they show lack of creativity in the drum department cause they are fond on blast? its like saying all guitar players that use tapping show lack of creativity in the solo department when infact some of the best guitar players out there use blast drumming tastefully inside complex guitar melodies, just as some drummers use blast inside complex drumming.

I stand by what i say, Velyaman. Blast beats suck ass, and YES, they do show lack of creativity.

The best richard christy work is from Death's 'TSOP', and there is not one blast on that album at all. Care to elaborate what you meant by referencing him?

I haven't heard his other stuff (aside from Iced Gay), but i can assure you that if there is blast beats, they will still suck, wether they are done by RC or not.

And about the tapping thing.... It is a similar idea to blasting. A simple technique that gets hyped up. When it is used properly and in an original way it is great... but too many people use it to say "hey look at me, i'm great at guitar" when they are actually not.

Tapping is not a hard thing at all. If it is used in the typical way (Metallica's - One for example), then it is crap, and i have NO respect for the player. Yet there is some really great guitarists that utilise tapping sparringly and originally.

Don't start me on what guitar techniques are 'great' and 'hard'.... because i'll shoot you down something chronic.

That is just like saying that Malmnsteen is a 'creative' guitarist. For he is not at all. He uses the same technique over and over again, and while he is quite talented, and he is damn fast, i have no respect for him.

If you want good CREATIVE guitaring, listen to Martyr's Warp Zone.

 

[Kushantaiidan]

Originally posted by Trapped


Yet there is some really great guitarists that utilise tapping sparringly and originally.

The same applies to blast beats sir. Completely dismissing them is foolish and is unfounded.

Blast beats mixed with alternating time signatures, great fills, and little tricks that I don't know the names of because im not a drummer do sound good, and as a whole, deserve more respect than you give them. NYAH

 

[Kushantaiidan]

Also, you hate black metal, and you hate blast beats, and you like some dimmu borgir.

It's like saying you hate penut butter, and you hate bread, but you like a peanut butter sandwich.

...

dumb example.

 

[BillowOfZeal]

Originally posted by Kushantaiidan
Also, you hate black metal, and you hate blast beats, and you like some dimmu borgir.

It's like saying you hate penut butter, and you hate bread, but you like a peanut butter sandwich.

...

dumb example.

dumb or not, it is very humorous!

 

[RETIREDTrapped]

The same applies to blast beats sir. Completely dismissing them is foolish and is unfounded.

...Like i said.... You're not that all bright, are you?

That was exactly my point. The technique is overused and over-rated... and the fact that a thread was started in trubute to them, well, it doesn't do much for your credibility in this discussion!!

 

[BillowOfZeal]

Originally posted by Trapped


...Like i said.... You're not that all bright, are you?

That was exactly my point. The technique is overused and over-rated... and the fact that a thread was started in trubute to them, well, it doesn't do much for your credibility in this discussion!!

You should change you eye back to brown, cause your'e full of shit!

 

[Misanthrope]

Originally posted by Trapped


I stand by what i say, Velyaman. Blast beats suck ass, and YES, they do show lack of creativity.

The best richard christy work is from Death's 'TSOP', and there is not one blast on that album at all. Care to elaborate what you meant by referencing him?

I haven't heard his other stuff (aside from Iced Gay), but i can assure you that if there is blast beats, they will still suck, wether they are done by RC or not.

And about the tapping thing.... It is a similar idea to blasting. A simple technique that gets hyped up. When it is used properly and in an original way it is great... but too many people use it to say "hey look at me, i'm great at guitar" when they are actually not.

Tapping is not a hard thing at all. If it is used in the typical way (Metallica's - One for example), then it is crap, and i have NO respect for the player. Yet there is some really great guitarists that utilise tapping sparringly and originally.

Don't start me on what guitar techniques are 'great' and 'hard'.... because i'll shoot you down something chronic.

That is just like saying that Malmnsteen is a 'creative' guitarist. For he is not at all. He uses the same technique over and over again, and while he is quite talented, and he is damn fast, i have no respect for him.

If you want good CREATIVE guitaring, listen to Martyr's Warp Zone.

hehe

I hate malsteem he plays solos taken out of a megaman soundtrack.

Tapping its very elegant and even fast and impressive tapping use doesnt instantly equals arrogance, you seem to imply that everything that looks and its hard to play has no real value you like want every guitar player to play crap so they dont look arrogant, just as you probably want every drummer out there to avoid blasts so they are not arrogant.

And get to know Richard Christy's work before you talk shit about him, TSOP and Control Denied are not his best work you fucking idiot, go listen to Burning Inside's Eve of the entities or Apparition and then we could tak about it. I dont go around talking about drummers i dont know so shut the fuck up if you dont even know richard christy's work, you know his side projects ( with chuck ) and charity work ( with iced earth ).

Burning inside its an inclredible piece of complex amazing drum patterns that have blast drumming in all of the song giving it great contrast to the more elaborated patterns and bringing up the more important guitar melodies. In short he uses A LOT of blast all the time yet you find that he just prepares you for something really wicked.