Thoth-Amon
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Who seriously can believe in bible?
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Messiakh said:
Of course. What is your point, I don't follow? Do you mean one should follow some sort of religion? What if they are all wrong and humans simply haven't figured out the answers to these ultimate questions because the creator has not chosen to reveal them?
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Messiakh said:
Some other religions don't claim that their texts are directly inspired by an omniscient diety. For this reason, I can let them get away with ignorance of natural facts. The Bible, less so.
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in so far as what i've seen, there's really only 2 types of ChristiansMessiakh said:
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those who are brainwashed into being christian by being inside churches before about 3 years old when the brain becomes developed enough to recognize that a church congregation is pretty much a cult
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people who have been through what many psychologists call a "trigger event" where something has happened that is traumatic to the point where the person becomes christian as a coping mechanism because they can no longer accept the harshness of reality (such as the scary huge number of those christian rape support groups where the women getting raped are telling themselves/each other that the rapists were possesed by demons)
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LORD_RED_DRAGON said:
By all means, bag the shit out of my beliefs. But as a Christian I take offense to what you've just posted as an attack on the individuals in question.
EDIT: I don't condone the n00b's post either
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I meant in comparison to other religionsproglodite said:
jewish people actually read the old testament
wiccans actually cast spells
and (in so far as what i've seen) chaos theorists/nihilists actually read the bible more than christians where they actually know the verses that seem inconsistant with reality
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LRD is most definately generalising, but IMO he is on to some reasonable ideas about why some folks become Christians.
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Final_Product said:
You used the term 'some' which I definitely agree with. LRD used 'only' which I definitely disagree with
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Whoops... I pointed at the smiley and it said 'Blush', I thought it was an embarrassed blush but it's a flattered blush!:zombie:
Ok, how about:
Ok, how about:
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It's easy to say that you don't believe in the Torah because it's not backed by "Divine Mandate", but it's also just as easy to say that you can't trust The Bible, because so much of the New Testament seems so wildly exaggerated and exasporated. Also, many common Christian beliefs aren't even an actual part of the Bible. Seriously, are the stories of Dante's Inferno or Paradise Lost actual parts of the Bible? As far as I know, no.
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Ptah Khnemu said:
No of course not and actually nothing in Dante is considered a source of Christian dogma anyway so it doesn't matter. Christian doctrine is based upon what is believed to be the Apostolic Tradition. This tradition is supposedly contained in the Bible and in oral traditions handed down in the Church from the apostles themselves. This is the Orthodox view and is virtually the same as the Catholic view. The Protestant view is that only the Bible itself is divinely inspired and it is a sufficient rule in terms of doctrine and practice. Now one may state that some Catholic/Orthodox doctrine is not in the Bible, which may be true, but from the Catholic/Orthodox perspective that does not really matter as the Church itself and her Tradition is just as authoratative upon the believer as the Bible itself. So there you go.
I hate to say this, especially in a thread like this, but you got me there.
But there's still one thing that throws me off though, that I brought up before in this thread. If the Bible is, in actuality, just a coroboration o short stories, and people seem to know this, then why do people still trust it so much as truth? Did Jesus Christ himself actually say to his disciples "Worship me, and you will all go to heaven, but don't, and you will burn in the fires of hell!!!"? Did Jesus actually say those words? Or did he just talk about the basics, such as "Be good to one's neighbor", or "He who is without sin throws the first stone"? I don't think Jesus, who was praised as a really good, peaceful, and nice guy, could've possibly thought of such things as "Hell" or "Satan". I'm sure maybe he could've after his "resurrection", because no human, mortal or immortal, could possibly return, without holding a grudge of some sort.
But there's still one thing that throws me off though, that I brought up before in this thread. If the Bible is, in actuality, just a coroboration o short stories, and people seem to know this, then why do people still trust it so much as truth? Did Jesus Christ himself actually say to his disciples "Worship me, and you will all go to heaven, but don't, and you will burn in the fires of hell!!!"? Did Jesus actually say those words? Or did he just talk about the basics, such as "Be good to one's neighbor", or "He who is without sin throws the first stone"? I don't think Jesus, who was praised as a really good, peaceful, and nice guy, could've possibly thought of such things as "Hell" or "Satan". I'm sure maybe he could've after his "resurrection", because no human, mortal or immortal, could possibly return, without holding a grudge of some sort.
