who was a bigger influence?

[Carcassian]

It seems that you consider Black Sabbath doom metal just because they did slow songs. Am I right? If I am, you should notice that it's not a great reason really. I have heard the first albums by BS with Ozzy, don't worry about that. Have you studied music? I ask because if you have I can tell you whatever you want to know.

If I may, I think Sabbath are considered the first Doom band as they created the aesthetic and the musical and lyrical basis for the genre. The sense of well...doom, the religious discussion (almost always as a warning or veiled pro-christian sentiment), the slow power chords and blues based rhythm work.

I wonder who you consider to be a doom band ? It seems folly (to me) to not consider Candlemass clearly following in a vein created by Sabbath.

 

[RedinTheSky]

The entire Traditional Doom Metal genre stemmed from Black Sabbath. Are you not familiar with the genre? Listen to Count Raven, Iron Man, Saint Vitus, Revelation, etc., etc.

I know I listened to some St. Vitus back in the day, lost the album though and I haven't heard any of the other bands you list. I am only really familiar with the non traditional doom it seems. (My Dying Bride, early Anathema, Esoteric)

 

[LivingCadaver]

hm I know this is a black metal thread but do you think Bathory's Hammerheart could have influence Nile with a song like "Valhalla", it's pretty much the same atmosphere as a few song on in their darkened shrines.

 

[skeptik]

Okay...well the Black Sabbath influence isn't overtly obvious in all of the genre, some bands take more inspiration from Candlemass, Saint Vitus, or Pentagram, who are generally considered the pillars of Doom Metal along with Black Sabbath, but here's a list of bands to check out if you're interested in exploring the genre:

Pentagram (US)
Trouble
Solstice (UK)
Warning
Solitude Aeturnus
The Obsessed
Reverend Bizarre
Black Hole
The Gates Of Slumber
Isole
Burning Saviours
Witchcraft
Count Raven
Dantesco
Dark Quarterer
Doomsword
Fall Of The Idols
Internal Void
Earthride
Unorthodox
Centurions Ghost
Mirror Of Deception
The Puritan
The Lamp Of Thoth
Mercy
Minotauri
Nemesis (pre-Candlemass)
Orodruin
Rote Mare
Place Of Skulls
Revelation
Against Nature
Witchfinder General
Zess

 

[Carcassian]

^^ Of those, Pentagram - Relentless, Witchfinder General - Death Penalty and Trouble - Psalm 9 probably have the most prevalent Sabbath influences (to my ears).

 

[RedinTheSky]

Okay...well the Black Sabbath influence isn't overtly obvious in all of the genre, some bands take more inspiration from Candlemass, Saint Vitus, or Pentagram, who are generally considered the pillars of Doom Metal along with Black Sabbath, but here's a list of bands to check out if you're interested in exploring the genre:

Pentagram (US)
Trouble
Solstice (UK)
Warning
Solitude Aeturnus
The Obsessed
Reverend Bizarre
Black Hole
The Gates Of Slumber
Isole
Burning Saviours
Witchcraft
Count Raven
Dantesco
Dark Quarterer
Doomsword
Fall Of The Idols
Internal Void
Earthride
Unorthodox
Centurions Ghost
Mirror Of Deception
The Puritan
The Lamp Of Thoth
Mercy
Minotauri
Nemesis (pre-Candlemass)
Orodruin
Rote Mare
Place Of Skulls
Revelation
Against Nature
Witchfinder General
Zess

Excellent ! Now, have you ever heard Opthalamia's Via Dolorosa?

 

[Vitor]

i guess Sarcófago was a big influence to blac metal, cuz they were the first band with corpse paint, and the first band that did This kind of metal, in 1987

 

[Unfaithfully Metalhead]

Try explaining how they're not Doom Metal and maybe I won't sit in awe in front of my computer screen about how blatantly stupid you seem to be. unless your definition of Doom Metal is My Dying Bride, which it is not,

Actually they pretty much dressed the same.

psssst.... MDB are though... as for Colt being stupid.. yes he is... guess he hasn't heard the songs Electric Funeral Train, Black Sabbath etc among others... as for the topic at hand... i consider Venom to be the originators with the basic idea and concept as well as naming the genre but Bathory to be the greater influence though Venom had a big influence as well... but no doubt that BM started with Venom and just progressed from there... From Venom to Bathory to Mayhem... those were the 3 biggest components of BM with all other bands in between adding a little there or here...

 

[skeptik]

Mayhem (or Euronymous) was definitely influenced by them, absolutely.

 

[skeptik]

psssst.... MDB are though... as for Colt being stupid.. yes he is... guess he hasn't heard the songs Electric Funeral Train, Black Sabbath etc among others...

1) MDB were Death/Doom, now they're some kind of Gothic/Doom. Not Traditional Doom though. They didn't come directly from Sabbath the way Trad Doom bands do.

2) Electric Funeral Train? :zombie:

 

[Unfaithfully Metalhead]

1) MDB were Death/Doom, now they're some kind of Gothic/Doom. Not Traditional Doom though. They didn't come directly from Sabbath the way Trad Doom bands do.

2) Electric Funeral Train? :zombie:

1. Still a form of Doom but your right not traditional

2. whats wrong with EFT? i love that song lol ...

 

[Vitor]

i don't understand why Sarcofago isn't in this poll...

anyone knows that they were the most influence to the black metal bands, and ignore it is a big mistake

 

[Unfaithfully Metalhead]

It's called Electric Funeral, that's the problem.

Ok I'm getting old lol don't ever get to the age of 35 Doden.. your memory will start going lol ... but actually funny thing is I always called that song Electric Funeral Train since my early teens for some reason... the name just stuck to my head and thats what I call it... force of habit I guess... I haven't heard the album in years as well... not that I could.. I lost it lol I'll have to rebuy it one of these days... sometimes it goes on sale for like $10....

 

[black blood]

Honestly, they didn't have nearly the influence that any of the other bands in the poll had.

More influence than Mercyful Fate and Celtic Frost.

 

[Vitor]

Honestly, they didn't have nearly the influence that any of the other bands in the poll had.

i'm not sure about it, cuz how any band in the poll made music like black metal?

the pattern and the style are from Sarcofago

 

[Evil?]

This is true.

 

[Zephyrus]

Are those Nunchucks?

yes

 

[Evil?]

It made me chuckle when i saw them.

 

[Vitor]

Aside from the Brazilian scene, I don't hear a whole lot of influence from Sarcofago. To say that they have more influence than Celtic Frost is just laughably igorant. Fucking christ, just look at Darkthrone. Half of the tracks on Panzerfaust may well be lost CelticFrost songs.

Celtic Frost can't be considered just like a black metal influence, cuz they influenced other underground metal bands like Obituary

My point is:

Sarcofago is the first black metal band, and the bands in the poll don't have the same pattern of the most importants black metal bands from norway, for example

 

[black blood]

Sarcofago was a huge influence on early Mayhem{De Mysteriis} as well as the hole Finnish scene like Beherit and Impaled Nazarene.