Worst Albums Ever.
- Thread starter RedinTheSky
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Hubster
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That's the most absurd thing I've ever read. You've been posting on here for god knows how many years and haven't learned a thing about music. If I was you I'd just stop listening to music period.
Liquid Diamonds
Member
Don Corleone
Emre
Justin S.
Member
If you can toss around "objective truths" flippantly, you haven't really thought about it enough.
Manbient
Queer Old Man
orly? so every interpretation of music is always subjective? there's no such thing as an "objective truth"? 0h 0k
something like this...
That's got to be Tom Kenny from Mr. Show.
Hard to top the wrestling albums.......Hulkster's album is the lowest-quality music I've heard. Hilarious of course.
Justin S.
Member
Strawman; I posited neither- I stated you hadn't thought about it much, in the same way you admonished another.
Manbient
Queer Old Man
Justin S.
Member
Demand? I will grant your request
.I don't wish to start a huge debate over epistemology here (the Worst Albums Ever thread), so I will be concise:
The subjective/objective dichotomy is problematic- we are in no position to discern what is mind-dependent or independent, as the vector for all apprehension is consciousness (which we cannot "step outside" of). Consciousness discloses the world.
Demand? I will grant your request
I don't wish to start a huge debate over epistemology here (the Worst Albums Ever thread), so I will be concise:
The subjective/objective dichotomy is problematic- we are in no position to discern what is mind-dependent or independent, as the vector for all apprehension is consciousness (which we cannot "step outside" of). Consciousness discloses the world.
Shut up.
Supermoi
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Justin S.
Member
I'm glad you've figured all this out and speak from a position of authority!
Demilich
Remember
by the way that's my favorite boris album. I find it funny how so many have their own intepretation of what "up" should be for that picture
i use different rotations of it on different boards! (and MSN!)
my favourite Boris album too. Have you heard the new one with Michio Kunahana? (probably spelled that wrong, going from memory) I've heard people call it similar to a psyched out Flood.
edit: also, I think you'll find that if you really, truly believe there to be some objective truth in music, it may be you who wasn't thought about it enough.
i offer a simple question to ask yourself when you think youve found one of these truths (and by the way, could you possibly let me in on the secret? this is valuable information you claim to hold here!):
is there any person or group of people who hold different views than your own on this supposed "truth"?
i guarantee you that there are, and that very conflict puts to rest any foolish notions of universality in music.
Manbient
Queer Old Man
orly? nah, i haven't heard it yet. Thanks for the heads up.
but it doesn't. The universal truths aren't simple, and i never claimed them to be. But there are very, VERY strong indicators of a sum of events and experiences which result in an interpretation of music; events that may not be impossible to measure. In that sense, music is "subjective", certainly. Overall, music is a "subjective" field, i don't disagree. What i do disagree with is that it's not "ordered". It's not random by ANY means, and i believe certain variations in key parameters are what cause our interpretations.
I'm extremely confident, for example, that when persons from any part of the world in any walk of life, in any sociological environment are given two pieces of music, that (assuming the pieces are significantly different from one another) there will be an insurmountable agreement on which one is "sadder". How could this possibly be a coincidence? How does that not indicate some level of objectivity of interpretation? It's lazy and simple minded to ignore these kinds of phenomenon and attribute any discrepancy of musical interpetation to "music is subjective". There are patterns. I don't think there will ever be 100% agreement on anything, but that's because the truths lie in very very small, yet extremely numerous parameters which yield the apparent result. It's a complex function, and simply seeing the result does not provide any information on what the process was.
I don't think i'm presenting any new ideas here. I think what i'm defining here IS what some people refer to as "subjectivity", but in my own case i prefer to refer to it as a sum of an arrangement of objective truths. Calling it "subjective" implies to me that nothing is measurable and there aren't patterns, which i do NOT believe.
metal_wrath
I dip my forefinger...
in_absentia
Aurora Borealis
Pethical
Tom
neggest of all possible reps. and that is the most correct thing metal_wrath has ever said. partial rep for him
Tubbs
Bi-weekly top album:
^ I would give you negative rep for saying you're giving someone negative rep in the middle of the thread for having an opinion on music (be you think shit or not); I don't want to sound hypocritical, since I've done the same thing with Children Of Bodom and several other bands in the past, but I really don't think someone's opinion, biased or not, regarding music should be something that is given a negative mark unless it's a flammatory remark or it clearly is to invoke an argument. In this case, there was neither. Just my opinion, even though you certainly could be joking, since it is Satanic Dirge. I'm just trying to make a point here. 
