YT: Telecaster for metal? Stock pickups vs Bare Knuckle

[Uros]

Yeah, I mean in 90% of his posts he comes off as a know-it-all guy ('I'm gonna show you' kinda thing).

Using a Tele for metal might be one of those things that separates a band from the masses of crappy looking black guitars with pickups ran with batteries just like all other toys out there.

Yeah, that's one of the crucial things if you want to be original :/.
This statement is hipster-like mentality in its truest form.

 

[Josh Burgess]

Yeah, I mean in 90% of his posts he comes off as a know-it-all guy ('I'm gonna show you' kinda thing).

He's definitely one of the most obnoxious posters on the forum recently.

Disrespecting Teles is like taking a shit right on top of rock/metal history. Using a Tele for metal might be one of those things that separates a band from the masses of crappy looking black guitars with pickups ran with batteries just like all other toys out there.

Or maybe they could write/play unique, interesting music instead of worrying about what color and shape their guitar is...

Clark Kent, do us a favor and go back to Harmony Central or wherever it is that you came from.

 

[Clark Kent]

This is my thread Jeff... you don't get to tell me to stfu. Sorry man. EDIT: and that was me being polite.

Hell no I don't know it all. That's just crazy. However I do think there are very narrow minded people on this forum and it's sad. 5150 is the only amp. Recto cab is the only cab. Use EMGs or JBs in your whatever black guitar and you'll fit this forum perfectly. Use tubescreamers on all the time... even for cleans... wait... what are cleans? Be anything else than that and you're a fag, pussy or whatever. Seriously guys.

If you really were genuine you'd ask me for the DI tracks which I'd love to share and someone can reamp them with a real amp or whatever but to you guys it seems like it's more important to compete on who is the biggest douche.

All I ask is that we stay on topic.

 

[AllanD]

He's got a point, there is an annoying mob mentality on this forum.

 

[Uros]

That is not true. Lasse for example has posted quite a few clips with various amps and guitars, he's even posted a 'no-sm57-in-here' thread, encouraging others to experiment.

Yes, a lot of guys use a mahogany guitar equipped with EMGs, tube screamer into 5150 into OS cab w/ V30s, but c'mon man, do you think that you are that original for buying a Tele, only to install metal pickups in it? Goodie for you, but that will not separate you from the herd.

Playing good and original music (original to some extent) will.

I will just say this - Clark, you know some shit and that is obvious, you've helped out quite a few people on this forum. It's just that your 'presentation' on this forum is bad, you've come up as an arrogant dude quite a few times. So maybe you could work on that a bit, still offering good info, but without egoistic bullshit

 

[Skinny Viking]

You'd have to do better than that to make me feel insulted dude

And for being on topic all I said in my 1st post is that the clip sounded like ass and later made a comment that a pickup comparison would probably be better served done through a real amp

You were the one who kicked off the cunt attitude with "if you knew what to listen for" and "have you ever heard a clean channel" and the other bullshit

So seriously, who was pickin a fight?

And then you just became childish

 

[Josh Burgess]

This is my thread Jeff... you don't get to tell me to stfu. Sorry man. EDIT: and that was me being polite.

Hell no I don't know it all. That's just crazy. However I do think there are very narrow minded people on this forum and it's sad. 5150 is the only amp. Recto cab is the only cab. Use EMGs or JBs in your whatever black guitar and you'll fit this forum perfectly. Use tubescreamers on all the time... even for cleans... wait... what are cleans? Be anything else than that and you're a fag, pussy or whatever. Seriously guys.

If you really were genuine you'd ask me for the DI tracks which I'd love to share and someone can reamp them with a real amp or whatever but to you guys it seems like it's more important to compete on who is the biggest douche.

All I ask is that we stay on topic.

Ever since you joined this forum you have bashed things that we all know to be great pieces of gear and great methods of achieving the type of sounds we are into. We have learned these things from experience and know what we're talking about. Every time I see you post, you come off sounding like a condescending prick.... every single time.

Assuming that nobody here uses clean guitar tones or that we all only like/use high gain 5150 guitar tones for everything is just childish. I definitely do not use a tubescreamer when playing clean, and I'm into a LOT of very different kinds of music. I love jazz, fusion, prog rock, and ambient music. I love playing clean, BUT... Do you not know where you are? This is the ANDY SNEAP FORUM, the internet home of one of the most famous and respected producers in modern metal. The majority of people here are fans of his and similar guys, such as Colin Richardson, Jason Suecof, Mark Lewis, Adam D., etc., and they are looking to achieve the same types of sounds. There are specific and legitimate reasons why we love tubescreamers, 5150s, and Mesa cabs. It's simple... If you are not into any of the same music/productions/mixes/tones, then why are you even here?

 

[Skinny Viking]

And if you're bored and able to get over yourself long enough, feel free to search through my posts. I've done far more helping than bashing over the years

Go ahead, take your time. I'm not going anywhere

 

[MarcusGHedwig]

Assuming that nobody here uses clean guitar tones or that we all only like/use high gain 5150 guitar tones for everything is just childish. I definitely do not use a tubescreamer when playing clean, and I'm into a LOT of very different kinds of music. I love jazz, fusion, prog rock, and ambient music. I love playing clean, BUT... Do you not know where you are? This is the ANDY SNEAP FORUM, the internet home of one of the most famous and respected producers in modern metal. The majority of people here are fans of his and similar guys, such as Colin Richardson, Jason Suecof, Mark Lewis, Adam D., etc., and they are looking to achieve the same types of sounds. There are specific and legitimate reasons why we love tubescreamers, 5150s, and Mesa cabs. It's simple... If you are not into any of the same music/productions/mixes/tones, then why are you even here?

+1!

 

[Clark Kent]

5150 is the only amp. Recto cab is the only cab. Use EMGs or JBs in your whatever black guitar and you'll fit this forum perfectly. Use tubescreamers on all the time... even for cleans... wait... what are cleans?

I thought it was clear but just to be sure: I was being sarcastic when I wrote this. Don't get me wrong guys. I love the Sneap guitar tone. I love it but it's just one tone. I do think that it takes all the space from bass players and sometimes that's a good thing in a mix. But you know... there are times when people try to bash me about the whole match EQ thing but how is it different from f.ex. people on this forum buying a TS -> 5150/6505/Recto and the OS cab and mic it up with two SM57s in the Sneap way?

And once again... I didn't change the pickups to get metal, I changed the pickups to get modern. Gear = tools to make music. Music is what separates people from the herd.

Generally speaking I don't think pickups sound radically different but they def. feel different. Ofcourse I can't make a video about that.

 

[Uros]

Do a match-feel plugin

 

[Djabthrash]

I really dig the tones in that video.

And i prefer the stock pickup sound for both metal and clean. The BK sounds more modern indeed, but i guess don't like that kind of "modern" then

This is a good shootout video IMO.

 

[Josh Burgess]

Don't get me wrong guys. I love the Sneap guitar tone. I love it but it's just one tone.

You clearly don't know what you're talking about. There is no such thing as "the Sneap guitar tone"... He has produced MANY albums, using many different amps, with many different resulting outcomes. Are there similarities in the types of sounds he uses from album to album? Sure, he knows what he likes and what he's looking for out of a modern metal guitar tone (which is something many people DON'T know), but there are quite a few differences if you actually listen to the albums he's worked on.

I do think that it takes all the space from bass players and sometimes that's a good thing in a mix.

What? Sneap does not use bass heavy guitar tones at all. There are many other produces who use much more bass in their guitar tones. He simply mixes the bass guitar low in the mix, to give the guitars more UMPH and impact rather than warmth and roundness. It's just a stylistic decision about the mix. It has little to do with the guitar tones themselves.

But you know... there are times when people try to bash me about the whole match EQ thing but how is it different from f.ex. people on this forum buying a TS -> 5150/6505/Recto and the OS cab and mic it up with two SM57s in the Sneap way?

1. It still leaves room for experimentation. There are many diffierent ways to mic the cab. Different positions, different angles, different distances from the cab... not to mention different tubescreamers, EQ, & gain settings... Audio Hammer Studios (Jason Suecof, Mark Lewis, and Eyal Levi) use a bunch of amps, but they ONLY use the Recto cab for recording. Do you think all of the albums they work on sound the same? They don't.

2. The dual SM57 technique you're referring to is NOT a Sneap technique. I believe he's only used it on one or two albums and has publicly stated that he prefers using a single sm57. What you're thinking of is called the "Fredman Technique" and was made popular by Fredrik Nordström of Studio Fredman.

 

[jangoux]

Easy guys, you're making this too much of a big deal. If you dont agree, just ignore it, man.

 

[Line666]

 

[Sloan]

 

[ArthurD]

Not Fender, though.

 

[SentencedToBurn]

Assuming that nobody here uses clean guitar tones or that we all only like/use high gain 5150 guitar tones for everything is just childish. I definitely do not use a tubescreamer when playing clean, and I'm into a LOT of very different kinds of music. I love jazz, fusion, prog rock, and ambient music. I love playing clean, BUT... Do you not know where you are? This is the ANDY SNEAP FORUM, the internet home of one of the most famous and respected producers in modern metal. The majority of people here are fans of his and similar guys, such as Colin Richardson, Jason Suecof, Mark Lewis, Adam D., etc., and they are looking to achieve the same types of sounds. There are specific and legitimate reasons why we love tubescreamers, 5150s, and Mesa cabs. It's simple... If you are not into any of the same music/productions/mixes/tones, then why are you even here?

this is a pretty shallow thing to say. i rarely play metal. i primarily play rock with a lot of pop influence. but i employ a hell of alot of things that i picked up from here and from the members on here. since when is a plethora of information about DIFFERENT techniques a bad thing to have on here? can there be too much information?
take it as a good thing that its not another axe fx thread. everyone needs to stop being so disrespectful to members on here.

 

[Clark Kent]

Sure there are lots of people using "tele" style guitars for metal. Like that guy from Slipknot and Devin etc. but most of them have humbuckers in a telecaster. Is that a real telecaster anymore? I guess that comes down to personal opinion.

IMO a proper telecaster has a thick neck that is kinda hard to play but that's what makes it a tele. The sustain and low end comes from that neck. I'd say maple neck or at least a maple fretboard for that tele snappy sound. Fender is known for their single coils. IMO that's their place in the industry. Sure I've owned single coil Gibsons and a 72 telecaster which has humbuckers. Ofcourse they are "real" guitars. Just saying that if we're debating if a "Telecaster" can do metal, I think humbuckers in a tele doesn't count. You can put EMGs in any guitar and they can do metal. It's most likely not really the solution people will be looking for.

 

[Mago]

says Mr. Match EQ

tool

Classic Carlos in it's natural habitat
really made me laugh out loud here hehe


OT:
I think the orginal pickup sound a lot better, even through amplitube.
BK makes it sound like you pick a lot softer, it's also a lot more loose sounding in the low end.
2 things not really good for a "metal" tone I guess.
For the clean tone the BK was a bit better though.

Can you do metal with a telecaster?
Why shouldn't you?
You can also use a hollowbody guitar if you feel like it.
Won't be "that" metal tone a lot of ppl refer to around here, but I guess you can get it to sound metal, if the playing is "metal" to begin with...

Not using some kind of gear because a lot of other people are using it too is a very dumb reason for letting good and working gear slip through your fingers. Just using it because a lot of ppl use it without trying if it fits you also isn't exactly smart though
If you think it doesn't work for you then it's something different, but deniying something categorically is pretty stupid.
But that goes for most stuff in life I guess.