Fair enough my friend. I did not read THIS entire thread.
Yeah, I know, no one can read everything, but you gotta admit, that was pretty funny, especially coming from you!
Sorry, Chameleon can barely be called a HELLOWEEN album. It does not even remotely reflect their core sound of all their three eras.
Agreed. It's basically three four-song solo EPs from Kiske, Weikath, and Grapow, all mashed together. But damn, it's Kiske singing his best ever and writing some incredible songs, Weikath actually writing music that was interesting to his maturing self rather than crapping out by-the-numbers power-metal anthems to fit the Helloween brand, and Grapow, well, at least he didn't wreck it.
Oh yeah, and a another +10 for Supared! What a great album.
That would be like saying DISSIDENT ALLIANCE was your favorite JAG PANZER album. That's just too far off the beaten path of what was intended by this thread.
Yeah, I kind of agree; different albums from a band can be consensus "favorites" of two independent groups of fans, if the styles are significantly divergent. Take The Gathering. 'Nighttime Birds' would qualify since it's sort of a lesser-sibling of 'Mandylion', but 'Souvenirs' might not since it's something quite different. I'm not sure if 'Chameleon' quite reaches the level where it actually has its own independent fanbase, but I get your point.
Jasonic said:
I have been involved in many discussions on and offline regarding Helloween's discography.
One of the most awesome effects the rise of the Internet had on music is that it opened us to a range of views FAR beyond what we experience in the offline world. In the pre-Internet days, we were much more convinced that certain music was "good" and certain music "sucked". We knew these were objective truths because all our friends agreed with us. But really, that was just group-think in action, and once the Internet exposed us to completely independent groups of people who had developed their own opinions from scratch, we were forced to realize that ALL music is truly just a matter of taste. For every album ever released, there is someone out there who loves it (which is perfectly exemplified by this thread!) This knowledge in turn forced everyone to be more open-minded, which is A Good Thing.
Anyhow, that just came to mind after you mentioned the offline world. Certainly surveying the offline world can be a valuable sanity-check, but in most cases, it gives you a terribly self-limited view of the wider reality.
Neil
