... and you think just dobbermann's and pitbull's are bastards... read this

[Melb_shredder]

I agree with in the end, it's a dog. No matter how much you train it, instincts will still kick in if the time called for it. My gf's lab is the greatest dog ever. She's not the most trained dog ever, but she really is family and does what shes told and expected of all the time. Even if you piss her off, she won't bite so to speak, she just puts her jaws on your arm very unconvincingly and waits til your done annoying her, personally it is cute, the dog obviously wishes no harm on me. But if I actually attacked her, I wouldn't be so naive as to think somewhere those animal instincts wouldnt kick in! It would want to survive. Unfair to put the dog down. The owner is an idiot!

 

[TheWinterSnow]

This whole dogs are animals/wolves and are unpredictable is just BS. While I hate to break it to you, but there are some breeds that are more prone to aggressive behavior than others, doesn't mean that with proper training a Pit, Dobber, or German Shepard can be loving and docile dogs and that breeds seen as not dangerous can still maul the fuck out of someone. Heres the thing though, there is a huge difference between the instinct of a wolf and a dog. For starters a Dog's genetic evolution has adapted them to be used to humans, this is why wild dogs, dogs that are not around humans, still attack when they come into contact with a human, they aren't afraid. A wolf on the other hand, is extremely timid and will flee first and only attack when its fearing for its life and feels it has no other choice. So polar opposite, where dogs will attack offensively, wolves only do so for hunting and defensive.

A dog that attacks any human is a dog that hasn't been taught that all humans are above them in the hierarchy, they have to be taught that among human, they (the dog) are the omega, when you have that taught, if they are being hurt (like a toddler would do) by another human, they will flee first and will snap back in aggression only if they can't get away which is a good thing because if they can't get away it means they are being attacked by someone and not being poked by a toddler, and anyone who wants to hurt a dog just for the sake of it, deserves everything that dog gives them. If a dog attacks randomly or shows any aggression towards humans was not trained correctly and you cannot blame the dog, it is the owner that is to blame.

I totally understand putting a dog that has attacked down, but really, if we put dogs down for that, humans should serve the same fate. I don't understand why a dog who attacks someone (and lives) is put down but a human that kills innocent people serves maybe 20 years in jail. And obviously the circumstances in which a dog attacks needs to be looked at because there are situations where someone had a dog that attacked a an intruder and saved the owners life by attacking the said intruder and the dog is put down, or when you have animal abusers who inflict pain upon and animal and when the dog gets the opportunity to attack back, the doge is put down as the result of the attack. Its just bullshit, when if a dog attacks for whatever reason, its put down but humans are perfectly capable of kidnap, rape and murder and get out of jail in only a few years.

 

[SocialNumb]

^I blame the Dam Christians. They think they are the center of the universe.

 

[updog]

but a human that kills innocent people serves maybe 20 years in jail.

Only usually about 6 years here for homicide. Yeah I know, what the fuck. :zombie:

 

[Mago]

This whole dogs are animals/wolves and are unpredictable is just BS. While I hate to break it to you, but there are some breeds that are more prone to aggressive behavior than others, doesn't mean that with proper training a Pit, Dobber, or German Shepard can be loving and docile dogs and that breeds seen as not dangerous can still maul the fuck out of someone. Heres the thing though, there is a huge difference between the instinct of a wolf and a dog. For starters a Dog's genetic evolution has adapted them to be used to humans, this is why wild dogs, dogs that are not around humans, still attack when they come into contact with a human, they aren't afraid. A wolf on the other hand, is extremely timid and will flee first and only attack when its fearing for its life and feels it has no other choice. So polar opposite, where dogs will attack offensively, wolves only do so for hunting and defensive.

A dog that attacks any human is a dog that hasn't been taught that all humans are above them in the hierarchy, they have to be taught that among human, they (the dog) are the omega, when you have that taught, if they are being hurt (like a toddler would do) by another human, they will flee first and will snap back in aggression only if they can't get away which is a good thing because if they can't get away it means they are being attacked by someone and not being poked by a toddler, and anyone who wants to hurt a dog just for the sake of it, deserves everything that dog gives them. If a dog attacks randomly or shows any aggression towards humans was not trained correctly and you cannot blame the dog, it is the owner that is to blame.

I totally understand putting a dog that has attacked down, but really, if we put dogs down for that, humans should serve the same fate. I don't understand why a dog who attacks someone (and lives) is put down but a human that kills innocent people serves maybe 20 years in jail. And obviously the circumstances in which a dog attacks needs to be looked at because there are situations where someone had a dog that attacked a an intruder and saved the owners life by attacking the said intruder and the dog is put down, or when you have animal abusers who inflict pain upon and animal and when the dog gets the opportunity to attack back, the doge is put down as the result of the attack. Its just bullshit, when if a dog attacks for whatever reason, its put down but humans are perfectly capable of kidnap, rape and murder and get out of jail in only a few years.

I don't think that anyone questions that any dog can be a lovely animal.
I also think that it's a shame that dogs are killed after such tragic events, but the owners are the only ones to be blamed.
When I talked to a vet and a doctor about that some time ago they told me that german shepperds are the once that bite most percentage wise speaking...
They also said that generally speaking smaller dogs (poodels, wiener dogs...) bite more than larger ones, but they don't have that much power, that's why most people see Dobermanns and Rottweilers and so on as "dangerous breeds". Pitbulls have the most powerfull jaws, that's why it gets so ugly when they attack someone...
at least thats what I remeber they told me

Speaking about training: theres was a case sometime ago in germany were a german shepperd attacked the small daughter of an policeman, the dog was his police dog. I can't imagine that any dog has better training, and still he attacked the girl. That showes to me that ANY animal (people as well, as I allready said) has something that just can't be controlled.

A friend of mine got bitten by a rottweiler on the street some time ago. He was lying next to his owner on the sidewalk, and when she passed he bit her in the femoral, throwing her down to the ground, and leaving her as soon as she was down. She didn't even know at first what happened because he left of her so quickly. Tell me how to prevent such things to happen please^^
(exept with a muzzle of course, which is obligated around here anyway I think...or at least should be)

 

[AD Chaos]

Whenever I go to my gym at night, there's a couple of parks I have to go through to get there. On the first one there's this motherfucker who takes his pooch out -every night I guess- it's a gigantic ass german shepperd. The fucking dog charges at me every single time and the thing just barks desperately and shows teeth. At first I thought ''well that dog must have been abused by a dude in black clothing and long hair when he has a cub, so well.. I let it pass''. But then some other night by chance I saw from the distance the fucking dog doing exactly the same thing to a couple of other people.
The owner does not call for the dog, he just takes his time to approach the person and has this grin on his face, the motherfucker. One time the fucker even dared to yell at me ''keep walking!'' and that of course made the dog even madder. I swear TO LUCIFER I've been giving some VERY serious thought about taking the gun from my house and go out and shoot the damn thing. The only thing that stops me is what might happen with the owner (obviously I don't wanna have to go to jail, let alone shoot a person). I wonder what the legal implications of killing a dog are.

Nowadays I've had to work late hours and I'm busy doing other stuff, so I haven't gone back to the gym at night. But I'm sure those couple motherfuckers are still out there scaring the shit out of anyone who passes by.

There are devices called dog repellents, but I just wanna shoot the motherfucker and maybe threaten the fucking owner too.

If I decide to shoot the dog, I'll definitety post some pics :Shedevil:

 

[SocialNumb]

Whenever I go to my gym at night, there's a couple of parks I have to go through to get there. On the first one there's this motherfucker who takes his pooch out -every night I guess- it's a gigantic ass german shepperd. The fucking dog charges at me every single time and the thing just barks desperately and shows teeth. At first I thought ''well that dog must have been abused by a dude in black clothing and long hair when he has a cub, so well.. I let it pass''. But then some other night by chance I saw from the distance the fucking dog doing exactly the same thing to a couple of other people.
The owner does not call for the dog, he just takes his time to approach the person and has this grin on his face, the motherfucker. One time the fucker even dared to yell at me ''keep walking!'' and that of course made the dog even madder. I swear TO LUCIFER I've been giving some VERY serious thought about taking the gun from my house and go out and shoot the damn thing. The only thing that stops me is what might happen with the owner (obviously I don't wanna have to go to jail, let alone shoot a person). I wonder what the legal implications of killing a dog are.

Nowadays I've had to work late hours and I'm busy doing other stuff, so I haven't gone back to the gym at night. But I'm sure those couple motherfuckers are still out there scaring the shit out of anyone who passes by.

There are devices called dog repellents, but I just wanna shoot the motherfucker and maybe threaten the fucking owner too.

If I decide to shoot the dog, I'll definitety post some pics :Shedevil:

Dude, what are you 12? Listen to a little to much gangster music? WTF is wrong with you? I've been here a while and usually have nothing negative to say about all our regulars but this entire comment is insane. Are you just talking out of your ass to stir shit up? Playing devils advocate of something? If you're serious please see a professional.

You want to shoot a dog because the owner is an asshole?

 

[P-E]

Yeah, cause the dog means harm just like its owner.

...

WTF?

 

[MarcusGHedwig]

Forget the dog, call the cops on the owner! ("don't get mad, get even") If he's regularly there it shouldn't be too hard to nail him (no homo )

 

[FarBeyondMetal]

Speaking about training: theres was a case sometime ago in germany were a german shepperd attacked the small daughter of an policeman, the dog was his police dog. I can't imagine that any dog has better training, and still he attacked the girl. That showes to me that ANY animal (people as well, as I allready said) has something that just can't be controlled.

I'd argue that a police dog is trained to be aggressive in certain instances and not others, which is a hard to thing to expect of a dog. A police dog with training to kill has a much higher chance of attacking the wrong thing than a dog trained to not be aggressive under any circumstance would. Still if the animal truly feels that it's life is in harm's way you don't know how it will react. The thing is a lot of these child cases are dogs mistaking kids as something to hunt rather than them feeling threatened.

 

[Mago]

I'd argue that a police dog is trained to be aggressive in certain instances and not others, which is a hard to thing to expect of a dog. A police dog with training to kill has a much higher chance of attacking the wrong thing than a dog trained to not be aggressive under any circumstance would. Still if the animal truly feels that it's life is in harm's way you don't know how it will react. The thing is a lot of these child cases are dogs mistaking kids as something to hunt rather than them feeling threatened.

No, I think a police dog is
a) not trained to kill but to hold down someone
and
b) trained to let off when it is told to do so.

As far as I remember the policeman was coming home with the dog, and when they entered the garden it attacked the girl, with him screaming behind to stop...not 100% sure if it was like that though...

 

[FarBeyondMetal]

Which dog do you want around a kid?

OR

 

[Mago]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXxINObhjO8

As far as I saw most of them grab the arm and hold the guy down.

If you want to kill someone, do you bite him in the arm?

 

[Boerboel666]

The videos you posted are of anti terrorist canine units , the dogs used are Belgian Malinois . They are probably the only real working security breed left . They generally make very poor pets and should only be kept by professional dog handlers . This whole debate about what dog's can or can't , will or wont do
is pretty futile . When a dog causes injury or worse to a child it is always tragic and nearly always avoidable , but lets get a little perspective here . Millions humans share their homes with pet dogs and in the vast majority of homes there is never a problem . On the whole dogs are a lot nicer to people than people are to dog's . When a dog causes injury the media first assess which breed was involved and if its one of the so called dangerous breeds they normally go big with the story . Same old media bullshit and most uninformed people lap it up . Bottom line is kids are at a far greater risk from fucking twisted humans , cars , domestic appliances , choking on toys , swimming pools , balconies , electricity , drugs etc etc etc the list goes on and on . People need to get a fucking grip and it would also help if complete dickheads were stopped from owning dog's they clearly cant look after .

 

[AD Chaos]

Dude, what are you 12?

No, I'm not. Otherwise I would have done something without regard of the consequences. The 2 or 3 times it happened to me it was extremely unpleasant, but I figured it was not on purpose. But then I was going out of my house for groceries (in the opposite direction) the other night, and I saw the dog and the owner doing the same drill to a couple of girls. I was kinda far away but I could tell the girls were petrified. And that asshole was there just laughing with his gf. That's when it hit me, it was not an accidental thing.

Socialnumb btw, I don't know why you lash out at me everytime dude.

P-E is right - both the dog and the owner are complete assholes in this case, believe me. Maybe the dog is not at fault but fact is that animal is a threat. And I happen to think the well-being of people walking by is more important than the fun this dog or his owner might get out of it.
It's like when a dog and owner play catch frisbee, except in this case they enjoy scaring people (even a little girl, that was with her older sister I guess).
Calling the cops on them.. that sounds complicated I dunno if they go to that park EVERY night or at what hours etc.

I don't know what I'll do, but I certainly won't put up with that shit again.

 

[P-E]

I was being sarcastic man.

 

[AD Chaos]

I know

 

[SocialNumb]

No, I'm not. Otherwise I would have done something without regard of the consequences. The 2 or 3 times it happened to me it was extremely unpleasant, but I figured it was not on purpose. But then I was going out of my house for groceries (in the opposite direction) the other night, and I saw the dog and the owner doing the same drill to a couple of girls. I was kinda far away but I could tell the girls were petrified. And that asshole was there just laughing with his gf. That's when it hit me, it was not an accidental thing.

Socialnumb btw, I don't know why you lash out at me everytime dude.

P-E is right - both the dog and the owner are complete assholes in this case, believe me. Maybe the dog is not at fault but fact is that animal is a threat. And I happen to think the well-being of people walking by is more important than the fun this dog or his owner might get out of it.
It's like when a dog and owner play catch frisbee, except in this case they enjoy scaring people (even a little girl, that was with her older sister I guess).
Calling the cops on them.. that sounds complicated I dunno if they go to that park EVERY night or at what hours etc.

I don't know what I'll do, but I certainly won't put up with that shit again.

I think I may have disapproved twice, that's it? Definitely haven't "lashed out" yet. Who are you? I'm only asking here, have I in the past?

The best thing to do is ignore it, so long as it doesn't threaten your life. You can take video of the situation if you feel that strongly about the owners and what you're describing as their disregard for basic commonsense. After, call the cops. Shooting the dog for their mistakes is just wrong, especially if it's for some vendetta. Just my opinion. Perhaps for your safety as well.

 

[AD Chaos]

Ok then I was under the wrong impression about you. I apologize

Just remembering the whole thing makes my blood BOIL and even if the dog is not at fault, the animal is the one attacking, you know?
I'm guessing the dog must be somehow trained to do this things.
Yes obviously using a gun would be a bad idea but when I had the dog on me BELIEVE ME I wanted to have one at hand.

Thanks for the advice.

 

[TheWinterSnow]

@quoricsant: You do know that just above everywhere it is Illegal to let a dog run around without a leach in a public park? Reporting the situation to your local police or pound will land the owner a nice fat fine/citation. A dog showing aggressive behavior that is not leashed is a serious issue by the law.

Speaking about training: theres was a case sometime ago in germany were a german shepperd attacked the small daughter of an policeman, the dog was his police dog. I can't imagine that any dog has better training, and still he attacked the girl. That showes to me that ANY animal (people as well, as I allready said) has something that just can't be controlled.

Police dogs are a confusing matter because they are trained more than your average dog, yet they seem to have a higher rate of attacks. There is a simple reason for this though. While dogs have been genetically designed through thousands of years of selective breeding, they still aren't very smart. You cannot train a dog that a certain group of humans are ok to attack but other humans are not. Yes the German Shepard Police dogs are trained to kill and they are let to believe that attacking someone is ok. Regardless of their training the whole concept is confusing to them and when that moment happens where they can't see that thin line, an accidental attack will then pursue. I say accidental because it was unattended due to the dogs confusion, if anything about a person reminds them of the type of person they would attack in the line of duty, they will attack.

This is why when you are around a K-9 unit the officer will tell you to stay away from the rear doors because someone can provoke the dog in the car, which makes a dangerous situation for the cop when he has to handle the dog. That is how much confidence they have in these dogs even when they are in the car. A dog cannot be trained to only attack certain people and not others, when you train a dog to attack, everyone can and will become a target, including the cop.