Art & Progressive Rock

[razoredge]

Metal did not start getting aggressive serious-sounding until speed and thrash, which were hugely punk-influenced. If you don't hear a punk influence in Metallica, you need to invest in some new ears.

You really didnt indicate much, a bit o shit with didnt get "serious or aggressive till.... " No I dont hear punk in Metallica or Megadeth. Punk was revitalized somewhat for Nirvana, I can hear it in that, the low quality and noise kind of thing.

 

[razoredge]

Joy Division was one of the most influential bands of our time, 1978-80 they inspired many bands with their "post-punk" music and crushing lyrical content.

I will investigate this band. Seems funny to me though that I know no metalheads that were or are into punk. I made the connection from my hardrock days.

 

[BloodSword]

I have the re-mastered "Closer" album originally from 1980. This is guitar work that sounds like shards of glass flying, very tight bass and drum work. With haunting piano, and lyrics that are borderline suicidal. Ian, the singer for Joy Division, hung himself before this record was mixed and produced. You may not like the depressive atmosphere. Did any one know that "Joy Division" was a Nazi battalion in WW 2. I didn't.

 

[Dem0n0id]

Yah, JD were awesome. Superb lyrics and atmosphere. Take the energy from punk, and mix it with your own musical touch and you get this awesome thing named "Post Punk". Well, they were one of the very first to start it all, and now there are just clones all over. Interpol would be a good example.(doesn't necessarily make them bad though...just stating )

 

[BloodSword]

Frankly, all music has influenced Metal including, and not just-classical, punk, progressive rock, blues, folk etc etc. Listen to a band and you will hear some if not all of the above. A band is awesome to me, if they can incorporate different styles into an excellent hybrid.

 

[razoredge]

Frankly, all music has influenced Metal including, and not just-classical, punk, progressive rock, blues, folk etc etc. Listen to a band and you will hear some if not all of the above. A band is awesome to me, if they can incorporate different styles into an excellent hybrid.

Indeed, here you have a very REAL and honest point

but I will always say "FUCK punk !" Total garbage with a disfunctional undertone that was so LOUD, I simply couldnt miss it.

 

[Belligerent]

Riverside

 

[Alter]

Joy Division's first record is quite possibly the best rock record of the past 30 years. Everything about that record is so flawless. Vary few indie/underground/non-mainstream bands have even touched what that record did to other bands or the true moods that record produces.

 

[Omni]

Later period Swans is pretty much the most underrated art rock ever, and some of the most influential music on a lot of stuff that's around nowadays.

 

[Krilons Resa]

Jethro Tull - Thick As A Brick, Aqualung
Yes - Close To The Edge, Fragile
Anglagard - Hybris, Epilog
Anekdoten - Vemod, Nucleus, From Within
Pain of Salvation - Remedy Lane
Wobbler - Hinterland
Genesis - Foxtrot, Selling England By The Pound
Museo Rosenbach - Zarathustra
Areknames - Love Hate Round Trip
Van Der Graaf Generator - Pawn Hearts, Godbluff
Island - Pictures
Beardfish - Sleepin In Traffic Part 1 & Part 2
Phideaux - Doomsday Afternoon
Frank Zappa - Hot Rats
Gentle Giant - Freehand, In A Glass House
King Crimson - Red, In The Court of The Crimson King
Discipline - Unfolded Like Staircase
PFM - Per Un Amico
Mahavishnu Orchestra - Birds of Fire

There's a varied list that should keep you busy for a long, long time.

 

[Giodee]

What album?

Deadwing and Fear of a Blank Planet are both spectacular, but if you really want something different, go with In Absentia. Sadly, with that album, there aren't very many long songs that draw on their progness. If you want something very proggy, go for Fear of a Blank Planet and listen to Anesthetize. Song is seventeen-some-odd minutes long and amazing.

 

[ramses]

Of course their proggiest is The Sky Moves Sideways, with it's Pink Floyd worship.

 

[razoredge]

Progressive is so interesting as a genre, you have Pink Floyd to ELP to Kansas, such a broad spectrum

 

[ramses]

Yeah. When it's the same old 3-chord formula, how would anyone expect it to not get tired, and run it's course in such a short period? The broader the musicality, and complexity, the longer one can enjoy the songs/albums.

 

[Omni]

Yeah. When it's the same old 3-chord formula, how would anyone expect it to not get tired, and run it's course in such a short period? The broader the musicality, and complexity, the longer one can enjoy the songs/albums.

I can't say that I agree with this statement at all.

 

[razoredge]

Yeah. When it's the same old 3-chord formula, how would anyone expect it to not get tired, and run it's course in such a short period? The broader the musicality, and complexity, the longer one can enjoy the songs/albums.

Dont get me wrong, I still enjoy me some blues or simplistic rockers when they are good, or the repetive 3 to 6 note groove laid down as the backbone for old fusion. I was more refering to the vast difference between say Pink Floyd and Kansas, yet they are both progressive and both great... in my book.

 

[mdmatt4ever]

Jethro Tull - Thick As A Brick, Aqualung
Yes - Close To The Edge, Fragile
Anglagard - Hybris, Epilog
Anekdoten - Vemod, Nucleus, From Within
Pain of Salvation - Remedy Lane
Wobbler - Hinterland
Genesis - Foxtrot, Selling England By The Pound
Museo Rosenbach - Zarathustra
Areknames - Love Hate Round Trip
Van Der Graaf Generator - Pawn Hearts, Godbluff
Island - Pictures
Beardfish - Sleepin In Traffic Part 1 & Part 2
Phideaux - Doomsday Afternoon
Frank Zappa - Hot Rats
Gentle Giant - Freehand, In A Glass House
King Crimson - Red, In The Court of The Crimson King
Discipline - Unfolded Like Staircase
PFM - Per Un Amico
Mahavishnu Orchestra - Birds of Fire

There's a varied list that should keep you busy for a long, long time.

this plus:
yes- the yes album
baker gurvitz army- all 3 albums
emerson lake and palmer- brain salad surgery

 

[Orion Crystal Ice]

doom named some amazing stuff, which I will repeat and add to.

stuff I love the most:


Yes - Tales From Topographic Oceans
Magma - Köhntarkösz
Island - Pictures
Camel - Moonmadness
King Crimson - Lizard
Mahavishnu Orchestra - Apocalypse (might be the most off-the-wall thing McLaughlin has done, and even George Martin counted it as one of the best things he ever produced, despite a lot of fans not liking the changes)

 

[Rob Darken]

Did any one know that "Joy Division" was a Nazi battalion in WW 2. I didn't.

Straight from wiki..."the band renamed themselves Joy Division in late 1977, borrowing their new name from the prostitution wing of a Nazi concentration camp mentioned in the 1955 novel The House of Dolls"...

A common misconception about the band.

Try listening to some Hidria Spacefolk (similar to the Ozrics), and an Italian band called "The Fifth Element".

 

[T. Terrorist]

A few suggestions for bands that would classify in this genre,
as well as those of the avant-garde style you might enjoy:

Joy Division (as previously mentioned) - Unknown Pleasures
Ved Buens Ende - Written in Waters
Joyless - Wisdom & Arrogance
Lifelover - all albums: Pulver, Erotik, and Konkurs
Alcest - Souvenirs d'un Autre Monde
Amesoeurs - Ruines Humanes