before we continiue on that... do you have any clue, who engels was, and what engels wrote about?Originally posted by Wandrail
Have you no sense of pride or freedom? From my ancestors cry of "Bona na Croin" to my country's constitution, I believe no man has an earthly master, and just the same, no man should be a slave to society. We each can have power over our lives through reaping the rewards of our own work, and we can all learn by suffering the consequences ofour actions. Working for society denies the fundamental element of man that is individualism. I fucking don't want to work for YOU. That's YOUR job, you lazy bastard. This "utopia" you speak of should be tried in your country, I think. It would certainly not last, because people would quickly become dissatisfied with life, bound by these fetters. What incentive is their for making the personal sacrifice of time and life to work on things like medicine and technology. So much of this comes from people obeying their personal drive and ideas, their inspiration. When you're stuck in one house with one income and one purpose for your life, born into a mold, just a cog in a machine, what's the fucking point ofliving? Oh yeah, you don;t necessarily believe that men have an inalienable right to their lives, I'm sure. Only society has a right to exist, and if your life presents a problem, I'm sure it must end to benefit society. Hello, Hitler!
-Eric
billy milano speaks out against Serj and Tom(anti-americans)
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don't need nukes to take care of bin laden and his ilk. we've got the best special forces units in the world. observe:
Originally posted by Wandrail
We would never control those oil fields. They will continue to be the property of the countries in which they sit, as they are now. The US benefits financially far less from oil than does the middle east and Norway, but we are not in the business of conquering other nations and taking their resources. We are far too concerned with the UN and world opinion of us, which is negative no matter WHAT we do, to do anything but hand the oil fields right back over to the new governments of these countries. I half wish we would just to teach some people a lesson, but we won't do that. That is what we have been trying to stop Saddam from doing. There is absolutely no parallel to our actions. You, again are in a frame of mind where military action is military action, our reasons and purpose don't seem to matter to you. There are organizations, especially one in particular of Iraqi defectors who want to see a liberated Iraq and are willing to step in once Saddam is gone to fix these problems in their own country. Iraq will not become property of the USSerious lack of reality, here...
Ok, the Kurdish Rebels you are referring to are going to step in the government of Iraq once we take it out, do you realize how much more war that would cause? Turkey and Iran would almost immediately declare war on them. (please do some more research before spouting your Far-Right-Wing-Faux-News-Drivel)
The Kurds, I daresay, are more hated than the Israelites. Also he never said Iraq would become property of the US, the US Gov. is smarter than that, they rather make the country their "bitch" so to syay and we'll set up their economy so it's based on ours, hence without us they'll have a major economic collapse. Do you honestly think we invest billions of dollars into a war that we wont get reimbursed in the future? "Serious lack of reality here..."
Yes I remeber the Holocaust, I also recall that we allowed it for so and so years. Nonetheless our president of the time actually ALLOWED it with knowledge of it due to Germany's position against the Soviet Union, our true fear of the time (Yes our hatred of the Soviet Union goes back before WWII, researchs Labor Unions pre-1930's for info on this.) Also the only reason America backed those countries, once again, was to maintain our stance as a world power. America couldn't have the Soviet Union and Communism rise due to the our insecurity in our Capitalist State. Also by the way the Soviet Union wasn't evil, it was our fear of communism and the rise of Labor Union's (a communist idea believe it or not) that drove America to fear the country changing from a Market Economy to a Centrally Planned Economic state.Um...hey, Hans...talking about butchering people, remember the Holocaust?
Here's another questions, where would we be now is Bush (Sr.) listened to Gorbachev's proposal to dispose of all nuclear warheads in '89? And yes, we help nations on "moral obligation".We are just about the most criticized nation, even by those of YOU who we help the most. Where would you be now if not for Reagan telling Gorbachev to "Tear down that wall" fucking ingrates. We have a global economy, every nation has an interest in the future of other nations because we are ALL effected. It is in our best interests to help other nations, but we also do it out of a moral obligation. When ethnic cleansing begins in some country that has no wealth of resources, we still go and help. No one fucking licks our feet, if anything they take our hard earned money and men and when they're done with us they spit in our faces. If we did stop helping all of these countries, and stopped our operations in other parts of the world, not only would it hurt us directly, but everyone else as well. Then we would have you same people talking about how the US is so selfish and sits behind their gold walls pretending the rest of the world doesn't exist while it burns down. Kind of like how class-obsessed unmotivated envious people see the rich. Its a no-win situation for us, so we will simply continue to do what is right and what is in our best interest, and th ebest interest of the world. I always say thats how you should operate, never listen to the quibbling masses, just do what you know is right.
So what you're saying is it's "moral" to slaughter millions of innocent people all aorund the world? Would you like me to pull up a list of American Military Actions over the last 100 years (we have more actions then years might I add, half of which you most likely never heard of.)And let me guess, Vietnam was the "right thing to do"? To slaughter millions of men who needed not be slaughtered, over 15 years of chaotic guerilla warfare, but it was the "right thing to do". Laying napalm to villages of innocent bystanders is the "right thing to do". Dropping 200lb bombs onto Villages of local tribes in Afghanistan was the "right thing to do". Well sure, if the right thing to do is to lay waste to as many people as possible leaving only scroched earth behind that provides no economic opportunities for the locals, then sure, we're right in what we do.Ok, let's say hypothetically a terrorist launches his 1 Nuclear Missile, you know how many more we have to intercept it? It wouldn't have a chance to hit American grounds, the only thing we'd have to worry about is Thyroid Cancer which we have medicine for. Also where do you think these terrorists are spawned from? You think they just get bored one day and say "Hey, want to dedicate our lives to trying to piss of America?" No, we've instigated nearly every terrorist there is.
Saddam Hussein - Supported him throughout the 80's in war with Iran only to betray him and support Iran after the fall of the Soviet Union
Yassir Arafat - on Nobel Peace Prize for his amazing treaties with the former president of Israel in which the UN drew resolutions from, only for the america Supported Israel to violate them and occupy Palestinian Territory, yet we still support the aggressors in this situation.
Osama Bin Laden- Armed and trained by CIA to fight off the Soviet Union in the 80's, after fall of Soviet Union we abandon Afghanistan and leave them on their own, Taliban rise and pulll the country out of anarchy, eventually in late 90's early 00's we try making treaties with Osama for Oil-Pipelines to go form Afghanistan through Pakistan into India where it'd be exported, Afghanistan only country to decline. We relentlessly pursue bugging them about it, and finally make a few threats (Powell did this pre-9/11).
And would you like info on any other terrorists and their history in American relations?
A petty personal attack unto a German. Anyway yes America does oppress believe it or not. I know it's a concept hard to grab because they don't tell you this on your local news channel, but our economy is parasitic, we drain from third-world economies who have to struggle to maintain our appeasement, while at the same time have evnough to help themselves. Then we proceed to pay them as little as possible for their efforts and go to countries more prosperous (memebers of the G8 including ourselves) and re-sell the items at nearly 10-50 times the price of what we bought it.And here we see it, the entire worldview comes out - humanity is a disease to you. You probably think we should all die and that the world should be covered with greenery, etc, etc...what a joke. Anyone who thinks this way should have some fucking integrity and jump off a building, lead by example
The only reaosn we entered WWII was because of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, which sadly was also our fault despite that our coutry writes history differently. (We instigated the Japanese by laying extremely strict laws on their Trading and Transportation of stuff by sea.) The attack we knew was coming, we just did not know where or when, hence the unpreparedness. And no, terrorist will never dissipate, we're not fighting a material item or place like a country here. Rather a ideal, it's only going to perpetuate itself. You kill one man, his brethren will want revenge, am I wrong? The more we kill the more we breed them, sadly it's a hard situation to go about, but the extreme aggresions in which we are taking are not the way and have been proven so in history before. (Roman Empire?)
-Charles
(Damn, i might not reply again, took me about an hour and 10 minutes to type this.... wow.)
I don't think he has a clue on Friedrich Engels...
Anyway A Scarlet Sunset, you can continue my argument in this thread if you chose, I provided many historical and factual stuff in my arguemtn. It's just I don't visit this forum much and don't have the time to reply as long as I just did, hence I most likely wont be. I wish I could continue, I love politics, economics, history, and etc. It's an amazing field...
Wandrail
I'm your Huckleberry
I will respond to all of this tomorrow...such fun...I just wish Scarlet Sunset's english were a bit better so I could understand a point or two a little clearer...not that I know german at all...Originally posted by Wandrail
I actually really want to learn German, German and Latin.....
The Old Oak
Kind der Stille!!
Celtic_Fox
Tabhair Mo' Saor
Mother of God...
:::head explodes:::
A little blood falls to the ground...and the entire world runs to suck it from the dirt...
By the way, I am pleased to meet all of you.
:::head explodes:::
A little blood falls to the ground...and the entire world runs to suck it from the dirt...
By the way, I am pleased to meet all of you.
Originally posted by Celtic_Fox
Mother of God...
:::head explodes:::
A little blood falls to the ground...and the entire world runs to suck it from the dirt...
By the way, I am pleased to meet all of you.
It's called Dune, can't waste precious moisture now can we?
nergal_S
St. Anger around my neck.
What dose S.O.D mean by "speak english or die" i dont get it?
He wants every one around the world to speak english?
He wants every one around the world to speak english?
Celtic_Fox
Tabhair Mo' Saor
Christ,
5 pages of pseudo-intellectual rambling about the state of current affairs.
What a crock of horse shit.
So what do you all think of the new Eminem song?
I'm not a fan but I'd let him watch me service Paula Abdul with a monkey wrench wrapped in masking tape.
5 pages of pseudo-intellectual rambling about the state of current affairs.
What a crock of horse shit.
So what do you all think of the new Eminem song?
I'm not a fan but I'd let him watch me service Paula Abdul with a monkey wrench wrapped in masking tape.
Celtic_Fox
Tabhair Mo' Saor
Well, the lot of one hundred and thirteen or so posts in this thread does bring about one Truth. They make apparent how segregated the wolrd is. The points that all parties have made in this thread prove so...
Ah....Mankind... have you gone the way of the Dodo? No. You have yet to leave the womb...
Ah....Mankind... have you gone the way of the Dodo? No. You have yet to leave the womb...
It's a political post what do you expect? For us all to be idiot's (politically ignorant) like you? I'm making an assumption, so be it, but with your attitude towards it I would be surprised if you know who the President of China is and why it's so big that he is the President.
NAD
What A Horrible Night To Have A Curse
Mao, right?Originally posted by ProphesizedDoom
It's a political post what do you expect? For us all to be idiot's (politically ignorant) like you? I'm making an assumption, so be it, but with your attitude towards it I would be surprised if you know who the President of China is and why it's so big that he is the President.
MadeInNewJersey
nursing my wounds
He's basically saying that if you're going to move to the United States, make a living here and be a part of American society, than speak the fucking language.
Wandrail:
Until recently, the only people/religion that have treated the jews with respect have been the muslims. Christians have actively pursued jews and even made laws against them, on absolutely no basis other than their own fear against that which is different(in Norway, where I live, jews were not allowed to enter until the late 1800s).
When the arabs conquered the Byzantine and persian empire, the conquered people were given total freedom of religion. If you converted to Islam, you got a minor tax reduction. On the other hand, when Olav the Holy introduced christianity to Norway, people were asked to convert on the edge of a sword, which was likely to take their head if they refused to convert from their worship of the nordic pantheon.
About Israel: Have you read anything about the Zionists and the methods they used for claiming the land which was "rightfully theirs"? I`ll give you some examples: Drugging down land-lords, then making them sign unfair contracts. Driving local farmers out of business with ludicrous prices, then buying up the land, one patch at a time...The examples are numerous, and they involve a lot of bloodshed on the part of the jews. If you are interested, I`ll try digging up some of the many links I have about this subject.
Until recently, the only people/religion that have treated the jews with respect have been the muslims. Christians have actively pursued jews and even made laws against them, on absolutely no basis other than their own fear against that which is different(in Norway, where I live, jews were not allowed to enter until the late 1800s).
When the arabs conquered the Byzantine and persian empire, the conquered people were given total freedom of religion. If you converted to Islam, you got a minor tax reduction. On the other hand, when Olav the Holy introduced christianity to Norway, people were asked to convert on the edge of a sword, which was likely to take their head if they refused to convert from their worship of the nordic pantheon.
About Israel: Have you read anything about the Zionists and the methods they used for claiming the land which was "rightfully theirs"? I`ll give you some examples: Drugging down land-lords, then making them sign unfair contracts. Driving local farmers out of business with ludicrous prices, then buying up the land, one patch at a time...The examples are numerous, and they involve a lot of bloodshed on the part of the jews. If you are interested, I`ll try digging up some of the many links I have about this subject.
nergal_S
St. Anger around my neck.
nergal_S
St. Anger around my neck.
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