billy milano speaks out against Serj and Tom(anti-americans)

Originally posted by SlaughterofSoul
I think Sadam should be taken out. But NOT FUCKING NOW! Our economy is too fucked. Let it get to better than normal, then start a war. Your fucking spending is going to put us in even more of a hole. Thanks Bush!
the U.S. econemy is fucked and that's why Bush wants a war. there is nothing like a war to stimulate the econemy, anyone with a high school education can tell you that. as with any war over the past few thousand years it has been about money and trade. bush wants saddam's oil and saddam doesn't want to give it to him. simple as that. there is no proof linking iraq to the attacks last year as nasty are they were, but bush was just using it as an excuse to get his mits on someone else's oil.
Nasty but true!
 
The extremist Muslims who wish death to the infidels are a very small fraction of all Muslims, it is unfortunate that their very small number is assumed to be an example of the whole Muslim faith. Those dirty bastards on 9/11 probably hurt their faith more than they hurt us.

Whoever said this extremist Islam began around 50 years ago is right. I don't remember his name, but some wacko Muslim (a very powerful man, I believe from Iran, but I could be wrong) interpretted VERY INCORRECTLY a passage of the Koran that he claimed to say that Muslims are compelled to slay the infidels. I have spoken with several Muslim scholars (former professors of mine) that have said that the Koran STRICTLY OUTLAWS MURDER OF ANY KIND. This infidel bullshit was made up.

Sorry if this issue was cleared up or declared dead long ago, like Colin Powell, I didn't read all those posts. :D
 
I said the 50 year ago thing. Because i know Islam before that never used violence, for example when they went to spain they never went there to kill any one, they went there peacefuly and stayed for 800 years. But still Islam is just as empty as all the other religions. All religions are just as bad as each other
 
Why do people constantly concentrate on the Old Testament? Maybe it's because they like to read about the "vengeful God", instead of reading further into the New Testament. All of the verses, except for one, that Sacrilicious posted were from the Old Testament. THe one from the Book of Matthew doesn't even have violent implications. The verse even say "NOT that I come to destroy"..."but to fulfill".

Try concentrating on the New Testament.
 
The fact there is a new and old testament tells you how much bull shit is in all of these religions. The worst thing for christianity was when it was conected to Judasim in rome 800 years after Jesues died.
 
Originally posted by alpha666
the U.S. econemy is fucked and that's why Bush wants a war. there is nothing like a war to stimulate the econemy, anyone with a high school education can tell you that. as with any war over the past few thousand years it has been about money and trade. bush wants saddam's oil and saddam doesn't want to give it to him. simple as that. there is no proof linking iraq to the attacks last year as nasty are they were, but bush was just using it as an excuse to get his mits on someone else's oil.
Nasty but true!

That is just assinine. We have proof that the anthrax scare, as dumb as that was, was definitely from Saddam, but the BIGGEST reasonw e need to go into Iraq is to remove his nuclear arsenal. That there is anyone who doesn't see the need for this is beyond me. You want to live your life with a gun to your head? We honestly should be drilling in Alaska for oil anyway, we haven't been able to actively search for new pockets of oil in the longest time, and we have some good untapped sources which we should be tapping into NOW, so that in ten years time when the refineries are finally pumping out the first bit of it, we aren't TOTALLY reliant on damn crazy arabs for our oil. -waits for the 'environmentalists' to lose their minds- :D I just can't stop, can I...
 
Originally posted by nergal_S
The fact there is a new and old testament tells you how much bull shit is in all of these religions. The worst thing for christianity was when it was conected to Judasim in rome 800 years after Jesues died.

This really makes no sense...Christianity has to be connected to Judaism. Part of the Jewish belief system is that a messiah will come when the time and world are right to relieve man of the burden of sin, fulfulling the old laws with symbolic blood. This is Christianity, however, as Christ foresaw, many Jews would not follow him, deciding to cling to the old ways instead. THese don't believe Christ was the messiah, and continue to wait, living by the old laws. It also makes no sense that by noticing there is a new and old testament displays how much 'bullshit' is in all religion. I am not a 'religious' person, I simply believe that this is the truth, this is the way things are. From my beliefs, I simply want to live my life freely, the way I feel everyone ought to live. No man is your master, "neither collar, nor crown" follow whatever creed you wish, I do not care, just leave me alone to live MY life. That does mean, however, that when your creed and beliefs cause you to infringe on my freedom and rights, WE have a problem. As far as muslims go, I need to dig up my copy of the Koran and do some analysis for you lot :lol:, its signed by Muhammed Ali, actually. He gave it to my uncle in a McDonald's in the 70's...won't it be fun...
 
Okay, I'm in the mood to reply ...

Originally posted by Sacrilicious


http://www.m-a-t.org/
http://www.matusa.org
http://islam.about.com/library/weekly/aa091102a.htm
http://www.arches.uga.edu/~godlas/nineeleven.html (this one has a ton of links)

That's just from the first page of Google after searching for "Muslims against 9/11".

I suppose you have me on that. :bah:

Christianity is relevant to this discussion. I use it as an example of a religion that has some extreme followers but on the whole is peaceful, the same as Islam. It is also useful to point out the biases of some of you people who claim that Christianity is a peaceful religion and not a violent one. Christians have done things much worse than 9/11 in the past, and although they're not nearly as bad as they have been radical fundies are still problems, killing abortion doctors and such. I would even argue that many religious leaders in our country have done as much or more harm to us as any Muslim has, unless you're only measuring harm done to our country by a body count.

My point was, Christianity is not trying to impose it's beliefs through malevolent ways like Islam is currently doing. In the past, yes, Christians did it, but now it is Muslums. The killing of abortion doctors is rare. Treats of attacks from Al Queida (SP?) are being thrown at the US left and right. Suicide bombing is an everyday occurance in the middle east. Does that not say something?

Aw I'm sorry, did it hurt when I shattered your little "lol deicide fanboy lol" theory?

Actually, no. BTW, I never once used "lol" or "fanboy." Quotation marks need not apply when misquoting.

Again, do you really honestly think we can fully wipe out terorism? How? It's not like there's a country called "Terrorland" we can take out anytime soon. It's like a "war on murder" or a "war on burglary." And did you ever think maybe some of the people living in those country value their culture and don't wish for the US to intrude upon it? Maybe you should think about why they don't like the US instead of just assuming they're "ingrateful pricks".

I don't think that terrorism can fully be destroyed. I do think it can be decreased. Take out the Taliban and Al Queida (SP?) and I can guarantee it will decrease immensely. Tighter boarders would help too. If these people did anything to bring these people to the US so we can deal with them, I would not have a problem. Furthermore, I could care less what any other country thinks of mine. All I care about is my country, and I really don't care what anyone else thinks.
 
Dreamlord: Try reading my last post. I explained why I posted what I did, I'm well aware of the New Testament and its content (and there's still plenty of bad stuff in there, although not really any of the "kill people with different beliefs than you" stuff, although non-Christians are often spoken of in a hateful manner. Additionally the Jesus verse was quoted to show that one could take that as Jesus giving his blessing to the barbaric laws of the Old Testament.

Originally posted by Furious B
My point was, Christianity is not trying to impose it's beliefs through malevolent ways like Islam is currently doing. In the past, yes, Christians did it, but now it is Muslums. The killing of abortion doctors is rare. Treats of attacks from Al Queida (SP?) are being thrown at the US left and right. Suicide bombing is an everyday occurance in the middle east. Does that not say something?

I don't see what it says about the religion as a whole. Currently Muslims are responsible for a lot of violence throughout the world. In the past Christianity has been. Is the religious group that is currently causing the most problems the evil one? If the situation is reversed 200 years down the road, is Islam the peaceful religion and Christianity the violent one then?

Compared to something like suicide bombings in Israel, yes killing of abortion doctors or gay people or whatever horrible shit fundies are doing at the moment is rare, however I don't think the situation in Israel, at its core, has much to do with religion. Yes the people doing the suicide bombings are doing so because they believe they are making martyrs of themselves, however I am sure that if they weren't Muslim they'd find another way of fighting back against Israel. Same thing with Al Queda. I believe that even if they were not Muslim, or even if they were not religious, they still wouldn't have a lot of love for the US of A. Additionally, when you look at their complaints against our country on moral grounds, any fundamentalist religious group, Muslim, Christian, Jew or whatever would say the exact same thing.

Originally posted by Furious B
I don't think that terrorism can fully be destroyed. I do think it can be decreased. Take out the Taliban and Al Queida (SP?) and I can guarantee it will decrease immensely. Tighter boarders would help too. If these people did anything to bring these people to the US so we can deal with them, I would not have a problem.

The Taliban have already been taken out of power, which I guess is good although I strongly disagree with how the US went about doing so. Taking out an organization like Al Queda is virtually impossible. They have no base of operations. If bin Laden was killed someone else would take his place, and even if no one did you're still left with a good number of cells that can operate independent of any central leadership.

Originally posted by Furious B
Furthermore, I could care less what any other country thinks of mine. All I care about is my country, and I really don't care what anyone else thinks.

That's fine if you feel that way, but I think history has shown this is not only not a very constructive attitude, but a downright dangerous one.
 
Originally posted by Sacrilicious
Dreamlord: Try reading my last post. I explained why I posted what I did, I'm well aware of the New Testament and its content (and there's still plenty of bad stuff in there, although not really any of the "kill people with different beliefs than you" stuff, although non-Christians are often spoken of in a hateful manner. Additionally the Jesus verse was quoted to show that one could take that as Jesus giving his blessing to the barbaric laws of the Old Testament.

Oh, ok. Thanks for explaining
 
well I think that it got out of hand............
I dont know but........fanatism is fuking idiotic all the religios fanatics and all the NACIONALIST fanatics got to be killed

this midle east thing is over the line.........
the midle east peaple areone the the most poor in the world except for the politicans.......and the terrorist ledears......
the simple peaple is who realy suffer......so it not a great ideia just go over there and killing every body......
becose if you didit you will be as much racist idiotic and assassins as the peaple that attack you last setember............

I just think that if you start a war a LOT of peaple will be killed for no reason including a LOT of americans........and at the end....sadan will be killed..........some one will take his place and will satrt again..........and you are not that strong as you think......you might lose this war to......and than?!?
imagine sadam taking over the world........eheheheeheh

but serious stop that blind nacionalism........it will take you to ruin.....like hapend to ROME, ENGLAND, and all the contruies and cultures how once ruled the wolrd........

Just one more thing......you who live in US you dont see the effect your contrie has on the ohters..........in many ways US fuck brazil...........and almost all contries on south america......they dont give a shit for us.....
but I dont hate you guys you dont have gilt .............you just dont know.........
a lot more peaple hate US more than you think .......war is not just agaist medle east remember that.....

but im in favro to a revolution to take over the power...!!!!!!!!! eheheheehehe
but we will leve in peace until the thay of the real revolution came.............
 
well I think that it got out of hand............
I dont know but........fanatism is fuking idiotic all the religios fanatics and all the NACIONALIST fanatics got to be killed

this midle east thing is over the line.........
the midle east peaple areone the the most poor in the world except for the politicans.......and the terrorist ledears......
the simple peaple is who realy suffer......so it not a great ideia just go over there and killing every body......
becose if you didit you will be as much racist idiotic and assassins as the peaple that attack you last setember............

I just think that if you start a war a LOT of peaple will be killed for no reason including a LOT of americans........and at the end....sadan will be killed..........some one will take his place and will satrt again..........and you are not that strong as you think......you might lose this war to......and than?!?
imagine sadam taking over the world........eheheheeheh

but serious stop that blind nacionalism........it will take you to ruin.....like hapend to ROME, ENGLAND, and all the contruies and cultures how once ruled the wolrd........

Just one more thing......you who live in US you dont see the effect your contrie has on the ohters..........in many ways US fuck brazil...........and almost all contries on south america......they dont give a shit for us.....
but I dont hate you guys you dont have gilt .............you just dont know.........
a lot more peaple hate US more than you think .......war is not just agaist medle east remember that.....

but im in favro to a revolution to take over the power...!!!!!!!!! eheheheehehe
but we will leve in peace until the thay of the real revolution came.............
 
Originally posted by Infected Core

the simple peaple is who realy suffer......so it not a great ideia just go over there and killing every body......
becose if you didit you will be as much racist idiotic and assassins as the peaple that attack you last setember............



OK. You say that it's not a good idea to go over there and kill everybody. By "everybody", I'm assuming you mean innocent civilians. However, you also said that "everybody" hates the US, including innocent civilians. Well, just like the Middle East civilians, American civilians have NOTHING to do with what is going on.

People from other countries look at the USA and assume we are all just like George Bush. We aren't. You said you dislike America. Fair enough. But when this "revolution" occurs, what happens to the American civilians like me? I've never hurt anyone in Brazil or the Middle East. Basically, you are becoming what you despise.
 
@ Infected Core - we would absolutely not lose a war in Iraq. We outnumber them like 5 to 1. Due to the dirty tactics we expect they will employ, namely, they will use their own civilian population as their shield, hiding their soldiers in the cities, in houses with families, it will be hard to fight the war without killing innocents. The thing is, it is Iraq who will have put their people in that situation, and sometimes you simply have to do what you have to do. What this is an example of is that youmus5t remain vigilant. When Bill CLinton was in office, he lifted the ban on nuclear technology going into Iraq, saying he thought they should be able to benefit from nuclear power. This simply didn't happen, power plants didn't spring up around Baghdad to light people's houses, so what did he do with his new nuclear technology, hmm? He fucking immediately set to making weapons, which, even while its hard to fathom someone really launching a nuclear attack, it can be used to hold the world hostage, just through the threat and possibility of the attack. You can all decide that you want to live your lives according to some relative, non-judgemental worldview, just realize that the Saddam's and the Bin Laden's don't share this with you, and are fully prepared to take advantage of that situation. They don't hesitate, we have been struck a deadly blow, the fucking world trade center is demolished, thousands are dead. Why? At most, because we haven't allowed the sons of Ishmael to drive the Jews, who they SO outnumbr, into the sea and off the face of the Earth. If those of you who say its our fault we interfered with them and thats why we have come under attack can somehow rationalize that its okay to let this genocide go on, that no one should aid Jerusalem, then don't tell ME about being careless, heartless, and BLOODTHIRSTY. Turning your head and ignoring a problem doesn't make you much better than those who perpetuate it. Dammit, I have alot more to say, but I need to go work out...later...

-Eric
 
Oh, and one more thing, to those of you from foreign countries who say you 'dislike America' I would like for you to explain why. IS it the anti-american propaganda that's spewed by your government controlled news organizations? I am aware that most countries have something against us, calling us an arrogant country, howeverm we spend more money and resources helping other countries than anyone else by FAR. We are the world's philanthropists, you take our money, take our soldiers, we only want to help people find freedom so that they can prosper as we have been able to, thanks to the hard work and brilliance of the men who founded this country, but you turn around and spit in our faces. Especially France. France is again and again at odds with us, almost regardless of the issue. Its like a knee-jerk reaction with them, they don't even think about what we're doing,t hey just oppose it. We are the nation that is always ACCOMODATING others, yet somehow to France WE are arrogant?? Its sad, because when this country was beginning, the French were our biggest allies, the French were once freedom minded people, now its a stronghold of socialist thought. I honestly thinkt he best thing for anyone anywhere is to be free, to have the smallest government possible,t o have the least possible limitations on what you want, and need to do with your life. Out of that freedom, prosperity like no other arises, because there is no incentive for growth and progress even on a personal level than being able to reap your own rewards of your own hard work. Its a self-perpetuating cycle of growth, rooted in the purest and most basic value of humanity - FREEDOM. It can't be broken down into a more basic form - FREEDOM. It is, in my opinion, just about the most important thing in life.

-Eric
 
I know you are just civilians.....and you got nothing to do with your goverment but you cant be all angry when some one say shit about US becose is not you that are doing this.......


and I dont hate you!!!! I just hate this system that capitalism and imperialist contries like US stand for........

maybe im wrong.......I can be!!
YOU all can be wrong.!!!!

but your nacionalism speak louder than that...........
 
The people who I don't understand are the ones who blame the US for EVERYTHING. If something goes wrong in another country, these people find some way to blame the US as a co-conspirator. If Saddam were slip on some stairs and crack his head open and die, the Iraqi government would find some asinine reason to blame the US.

"Um, the material that these stairs were made from was from England. England has close ties to the US. The US also has stairs on many of their buildings. BOMB THE US!"