Christian metal

[enitharmon]

Originally posted by metalized
Because steel Prophet play metal and CoF play something that contains metal elements, OK?
Enitharmon: - OK Metalized.
Metalized: - Glad you agree Eni. Keep it heavy. Cheers.

And you think just because you have 2096 posts you are right ha?
Why don't you like black metal? (no matter if they are posers!)
Even Andre Matos had said, that what they play is interesting. Steel Prophet play nothing new anymore (that doesn't mean it is not good)
What does it mean "they play something that contains metal lements"? This discriptions could be for Dream Theater too.

If you don't want to continue the issue, it's OK.

 

[metalized]

Originally posted by enitharmon


And you think just because you have 2096 posts you are right ha?
Why don't you like black metal? (no matter if they are posers!)
Even Andre Matos had said, that what they play is interesting. Steel Prophet play nothing new anymore (that doesn't mean it is not good)
What does it mean "they play something that contains metal lements"? This discriptions could be for Dream Theater too.

If you don't want to continue the issue, it's OK.

Who said DT is metal?

Metal is Saint's Anger, Steel Prophet, Agent Steel, Metal Church, at least as i have known it and grown up with it.
I said that some bands are good. But way far from the metal spirit. And they have so many elements. It is "advanced type of music, metallike, not metal to me." (haha). Come on Eni. U know i am a true metalhead right? I have followed metal from its fountains. I mean i love the bands that constructed what we can now call Metal. Priest, Sabbath (w DIO), Accept, Angelwitch, Demon etc. I guess this thread is not about that and some ppl might get uncomfortable if we continue this here...
But here goes...
Bathory, OK. But back then Bathory played NWOBHM faster and w evil lyrics. Like Venom. I don't consider this Black metal. I love some Bathory albums my self.
But all this music industry called BM was invented in early nineties because it was time for them.
And if you ask me BM is for kiddies. Some music is good...
But nothing else to offer... Except brilliant ideas for Halloween. It just is not very metal like. More of pop i would say... just with metallike music, because they have to have the evil within to go on. And metal is evil and satans tool, right?

 

[metalized]

Originally posted by jimbobhickville
[BAnd I seriously doubt metal was created to oppose Christianity; like Black Sabbath said, "hey, I know what we can do to oppose Christ, let's play with distorted guitars". I've only heard a few Christian metal bands and none of them were overtly preachy (most of them dealt with political issues, love, sadness, or whatever). In fact, they were far less willing to spread their love for Christ than the Satanic bands are to spread their love of Satan.

Later. [/B]

Bear in mind that Black Sabbath created the first christian metal song...
"Have you ever thought, about your soul, can it be saved
Or perhaps you think that when you 're dead you just stay in your grave?
Is God just a thought within your head or is he part of you?
Is christ just a nme that you learned about when you were at school?"

...otherwise i agree with jimbob...
stay metal.

 

[astarte]

Originally posted by metalized
And if you ask me BM is for kiddies. Some music is good...
But nothing else to offer... Except brilliant ideas for Halloween. It just is not very metal like. More of pop i would say... just with metallike music, because they have to have the evil within to go on. And metal is evil and satans tool, right?

as far as i see you have only mentioned Cradle of Filth and Dimmu Borgir (at least CoF is not black metal but goth-metal), so you can't generalize and say it's all rubbish.
BM is not even merely about satanism, since the beginning it was about an interest for the occult, that may involve Satan, yes, but not ALL the bands share that interest. Ironically the more popular ones are often the ones writing about the subject.

There are countless bands with non-satanic lyrics.

Enochian Crescent, Behemoth, Maldoror, Opera IX, Golden Dawn, etc. are all bands with lyrics about Thelema.
Enslaved, Burzum, Allegiance, Bathory, Einherjer, Hades Almighty, Helheim, Thyrfing, just to name a few, belong to the viking sub-genre.

 

[humus666]

And the best BM band that doesn't have satanic lyrics, Ancient rites! What's wrong with having satan in your lyrics, you're a stupid faggot if you take them siriously

Ancient rites! Ancient rites!
Ancient rites! Ancient rites!
Ancient rites! Ancient rites!
Ancient rites! Ancient rites!

 

[metalized]

Originally posted by astarte

as far as i see you have only mentioned Cradle of Filth and Dimmu Borgir (at least CoF is not black metal but goth-metal), so you can't generalize and say it's all rubbish.
BM is not even merely about satanism, since the beginning it was about an interest for the occult, that may involve Satan, yes, but not ALL the bands share that interest. Ironically the more popular ones are often the ones writing about the subject.

There are countless bands with non-satanic lyrics.

Enochian Crescent, Behemoth, Maldoror, Opera IX, Golden Dawn, etc. are all bands with lyrics about Thelema.
Enslaved, Burzum, Allegiance, Bathory, Einherjer, Hades Almighty, Helheim, Thyrfing, just to name a few, belong to the viking sub-genre.

True... but black metal is the opposite to white metal. And white metal=christian metal. at least in its initial stages.

phyre@ OK kiddy! only remember that Accept in '83 were much more metal than 90% of BM shit nowadays. Have you ever watched an Accept show? Well metal is about live shows as well. And Accept's shows are metal, contrary to 90% of BM which is image... (yes i have watched BM shows. CoF even).

humus666@ lyrics play a good part in the whole composition as well for me. if they have nothing to offer and worse if they are stupid (the lyrics), the music has to be reeaaaaaaaally good so that it can attract my ear...

 

[astarte]

Originally posted by metalized
True... but black metal is the opposite to white metal. And white metal=christian metal. at least in its initial stages.

so?

 

[metalized]

Originally posted by phyre


Oh, here goes... I don't care who was "more metal" in 1983. I care about MUSIC and LYRICS. (Also, having a highly silly image can put me off, but generally bands with both great music and lyrics don't need no silly image to hide behind) Got that? Furthermore, it seems (by the bands you've mentioned in your posts) that your "black metal" experiences are pretty much limited to Cradle of Filth and Dimmu Borgir. If this is the case, then please do not speak about black metal, and I shall not speak about your sacred "more metal" bands. CoF are NOT, I repeat, _NOT_ black metal.

Yeah i know... you guys guys wouldn't give a shit about hmmm... metal bands and u know like priest, accept, maiden maybe and all these bands. well i won't judge that. but this bands are METAL. DB, CoF, ASTARTE, VARATHRON, NECROMANTIA, MORTUARY DRAPE etc... are a kind of music that use many metal elements... and if you don't care about metal stop posting here for fuck's sake.

 

[Manbient]

I can't believe no one's mentioned Extol or Lengsel!!! THAT's FUCKIN CHRISTIAN METAL!!! complete with growls. And it isn't shitty. I'm not a christian so that's not why i listen to those band, i listen because they are good. Have a listen and you will agree, unless you're one of those tr00 faggots. And about 70% of black metal is shit. The only good bands are Emperor, Satyricon, Abyssos and a few others. Dimmu NOT included. They only have about 5 good songs.

 

[astarte]

Originally posted by metalized
Yeah i know... you guys guys wouldn't give a shit about hmmm... metal bands and u know like priest, accept, maiden maybe and all these bands. well i won't judge that. but this bands are METAL. DB, CoF, ASTARTE, VARATHRON, NECROMANTIA, MORTUARY DRAPE etc... are a kind of music that use many metal elements... and if you don't care about metal stop posting here for fuck's sake.

you stopped making sense a while ago

 

[jimbobhickville]

Can't we all just get along?

Seriously though, why are we bitching about various styles of metal, it is all metal. We should support the metal community. If you don't like a particular band, don't listen to 'em. All this bickering about "this band's not evil enough" or "this band is too evil" or "this band is only mostly metal, not fully metal, so they don't deserve the moniker" is getting old. Christian metal is metal, black metal is metal, old-school metal is metal, nu-metal...well, that might be an exception. Why don't we just complain about something that deserves complaining about like country music or latin pop, damn those styles are annoying as hell.

Have a good one.

 

[FatherVic]

hehehehehehehe well it was a question about music, not about genres nor religion!
just to point out few things...
yep, you can be christian and listen, enjoy and take as your lifestyle, metal!!! it's a true fact
saying christian metal is propagandistic may be only as true as BM is propagandistic, Viking metal is progandistic and every band that wants to reach the audience with their lyrics are propagandistic....
I never pushed anybody to do anything he wouldn't like, never wanted nobody to join the religion I follow, never tried to "open" somebody's eyes, nor seeing lights...

so please don't be take things for granted, may be there are christians under your bed awaiting for you to haunt you!!!!!!
blah!

fathervic (ashamed of being human)

 

[AngelWitch73]

Doesn´t bother me at all.. there are some good bands out there like BELIEVER, PARAMAECIUM etc..

 

[Diabolic Fullmoon Mysticizm]

Like the mighty MANOWAR once said: "The Gods Made Heavy Metal!" Metal rules, christian or not...

 

[Deathmoor]

yea everyone has as much right to play what they want and to write their opinions as everyone else. and all is metal what they think and what their opinons are doesn't make it less metal if its metal in the first place of course...

 

[Elfbane]

There's some good Christian bands like Extol or Crimson Moonlight. Metal bands are about the music. If they incorporate a theme (whether it be Christian or Satanic) into their music, so what? It may add or detract from it in a small way, but its still Metal.

 

[PaulRawNerve]

okay, i am not a christian ,, i am not into religion in the slightest, ive heard some shite christian bands and heard some incredible ones as well ..

zao, training for utopia, embodyment, living sacrifice and bands like that kick ass ..

the guy from zao has one of the most evil and brutal voices ever as well ..

its like any other form of music in the world, there are some good and some shit!

 

[~UlvedaL~]

One must remember that Blackmetal was invented in the darkest metaltimes of Norway... Norway, a country like the other Scandinavian ones, who has resisted the crusades of christianity for unhumanly many decades. The heathen love for natural balance is rooted deeply into souls of not-corrupted people, and breeds therefore the deeply hate for christianity, the way of the weak and dumb... To vocalize about antireligion is not to be satanist.. To sing about satan is not to worship him.. Satan means "opposive", and should be treated like one.. Of course some are satanists, but they dont spread out probaganda, because they do not aim at christians and others "not-a-like" people..

Christians´ failure is obviously and I would gladly be the one who puts an end to their misery and lies!

 

[AjDeath]

Most of you people are pathetic and ignorant, being a born again christian I choose not to listen to overtly satanic metal, like Deicide and others, but I don't listen to christian metal either. It seems to me that you guys complain about religious people forcing they're beliefs everywhere but you guys are even worse, I personally don't tell ANYONE how to live their lives and what to belive in, I wasn't forced into believing what I do, I chose this on my own, just like you chose what you beleive in on your own, so when you people say stupid shit like Die Cristians, DIE! I tend to beleive that you are 10 and have an IQ about the same level as you did when you were 2. Insult for insult.

I believe organized religion is strangling this earth and is responsible for who knows how many deaths, But I don't belong to any organized religion. I think you guys got your message all mixed up, it is'nt Christians or anyone else that you hate, it is the cancer we call Roman Catholicism(or anyother organized religion) we all hate, yes I hate it too.


Man, I think Anthrax said it best......."JUDGE YOURSELF, NOONE ELSE!"

 

[Russell]

I haven't bothered readin back too far on this thread, as I feel much of what has been said will annoy me intenseley. However:

Originally posted by ~UlvedaL~
The heathen love for natural balance is rooted deeply into souls of not-corrupted people, and breeds therefore the deeply hate for christianity

Who is to say christians are corrput? In your view they may be, but many would consider you corrupt as well. Heathen beliefs do not lead by necesity to a hate of christianity, that is complete bullshit.

the way of the weak and dumb...

So all christians are weak and bumb? Grow up just because their belifs do not co-inside with yours does not make them incorrect, or the believers either weak or dumb. It's just another religious viepoint. What gives your believes a higher validity than theirs? Nothing; by the inherent meaning of faith it can not be proven and needs belief - there is no correct answer.

Some of the worlds most intelligent people are christians, how can you generalise so much and say all christians are dumb? It's extremely small minded and short sighted, and blatantly untrue. That would be like some-one saying all those with heathenistic belifs are evil and do not deserve to practice them, which I think you'll agree is untrue.

To vocalize about antireligion is not to be satanist.. To sing about satan is not to worship him.. Satan means "opposive"

Yes, but the word satanism is now traditionally associated with christian beliefs (even though it originally meant the opposition in the universe) hence to be antireligous (seeing very few of the BM actually are AR abouyt anything but christianity ) is considere by many with faith satanistic

Christians´ failure is obviously and I would gladly be the one who puts an end to their misery and lies!

Why, why is it obvious? If you take the bible as a guide to life (for example) not as the word of god, and every-one lived by the main tennets of christianity the world would be a far easier and nicer place. Just because some-one has a certain set of beliefs you happen to disagree with this makes their lives a misery? I think not.

In my mind heathanism and christianity serve the same purpose.. they both act not only as an explanation to resolve things which, at the time they were first being practiced, were unexplicable they also tell their followers to behave in a certain "correct" way... which is probably needed. Hence I think the two religions aren't so far removed after all...