Christian metal

[Russell]

Originally posted by AjDeath
It seems to me that you guys complain about religious people forcing they're beliefs everywhere but you guys are even worse, I personally don't tell ANYONE how to live their lives and what to belive in

At fucking last some-one else who realises how idiotic it is and voices their opinions. It really pisses me off how many atheists complain about having religion forced upon them but then try and force their opinioons on others. Its ridiculously hypocritical and they seem blind to the fact they are just as bad as the people they seem to think they are fighting against.

I believe organized religion is strangling this earth and is responsible for who knows how many deaths, But I don't belong to any organized religion.

I believe organised religion, while causing 90% of the worlds ongoing wars can also be a deisrable trait in many areas, if the followers would be just a bit more tolerant and open minded. Sometimes a set of rules and boundaries are needed. And surely being a born again christian is an organised religion.

I think you guys got your message all mixed up, it is'nt Christians or anyone else that you hate, it is the cancer we call Roman Catholicism(or anyother organized religion) we all hate, yes I hate it too.

That is just ridiculous you tell every-one off for being ignorant then you spout that? Christianity in itself is an organised religion which puts you well inside it to start off with.... Why pray is roman catholicism cancer? Again, what gives your belifs a higher validity? Nothing, its just a slightly different form of what you believe, to write an entire group of people off like that is extremely immature and suggests you know absolutely nothing about their religion at all. Even though I stronlgy disagree with many of their teachings I still believe they do some good and neither you nor I should make rash judgmants like you just did - as you said

"JUDGE YOURSELF, NOONE ELSE!"

 

[Russell]

Originally posted by Penny
How is singing about God any different from singing about Satan?

It isn't, I'm not fond of religously themed music in general

However, seeing I hold little importance in lyrics I still listen to both satanic and christian metal. All That Remains And Extol are both good And I listen to several christian rock groups as well, but this thread was about metal so I won't go into that

 

[Russell]

Oh, and http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/t26990/s.html

 

[AjDeath]

Actually, I am a born again christian, I don't belong to any organized sect or church or cult for that matter, I read the Bible and beleive, I am not writing off the People that beleive in RC or anyother major religion, I am saying that the church leaders over the past 1000 years have diliberately kept people ignorant, whether it was keeping the bible in a language noone else could read, or telling the people to beleive something for their own purpose, I beleive Organized religion isn't based on God anymore, it is based on MONEY, greed corrupts and it is by no accident that the RC church is that rich. Thepeople may have their hearts in the right palce but the church leaders definetly do not.

 

[AjDeath]

That is exactly why I stay away from the Crown, great band, rediculous lyrics.

 

[Russell]

Originally posted by AjDeath
Actually, I am a born again christian, I don't belong to any organized sect or church or cult for that matter, I read the Bible and beleive

Then I take it back, you are not somuch part of an organised religion

I am not writing off the People that beleive in RC or anyother major religion, I am saying that the church leaders over the past 1000 years have diliberately kept people ignorant, whether it was keeping the bible in a language noone else could read, or telling the people to beleive something for their own purpose

It's true, certain religions have kept followers ignorant, not just in RC and even if they have in the past its not an excuse for calling them cancer.

I beleive Organized religion isn't based on God anymore, it is based on MONEY, greed corrupts and it is by no accident that the RC church is that rich. Thepeople may have their hearts in the right palce but the church leaders definetly do not.

Again I feel you're unfairly generalising, its not just RC and not al RC church leaders are money obsessed corrupt people - a family friend is quite high up in the RC church and he is far from corrupt and greedy

 

[Russell]

Originally posted by phyre
Today we have laws. If a person kills another they know they will probably end up in prison; no need to try to tell them they're going to "hell" anymore.

But religion is a throwback from a time when we didn't and in many areas of the world if you kill another person, you won't go to prison...

One thing I don't like about christianity is the way some followers follow the main tennets for fear of hell - it would be far better to follow it's teachings because you believe they are right rather than from fear, but I still think for some that fear could be a positive thing if it is the only factor that stops them from killing some-one else (using your exapmle)...

 

[Russell]

Originally posted by phyre
I know myself what is right and wrong without depending on religion. I feel that this world would be a better place if more people thought for themselves instead of following religion and political parties etc. blindly.

The thing is some people dont know what is right or wrong without depending on religion...It would be nice if people thought for themselves/didn't follow blindly, but thats not a reality - there has to be something to stop the people who do follow blindly/ not know whats right and wrong - doing/following the wrong thing

I do not say that there are not things that make perfect sense in the bible ("Thou shalt not kill," nor steal) but these things are nowadays 1) written in law. If Christianity said that it would be right to kill in certain situations that wouldn't mean shit. Laws are above all religions now, and that's the way it should be

But ultimately laws were built from the tennets of the predominant religion... so when the original theology need not be there any longer the laws are still based in this, but you're right laws are generally above religion now. The thing is religion isn't only to "control" people/ provide a set of rules... for many it is a way of life - just like my main interest in life is music ( i spend all my spare money on cd's, I'm always enthusiatic about it, I'm always listening etc. etc.) for some people religion does this. Like I spend all my spare time listening to music and writing reviews, they spend it helping in church as part of a youth group - whatever. Every-one needs (IMO) something they enjoy to put all the energy into etc. It also provides community, friends, a feeling of belonging and many things besides.

and 2) pretty damn obvious to any thinking individual. If a person doesn't know that killing is wrong without a religion to tell him so, society will eventually take care of him anyway

Here, probably yes, other places.. maybe not? And surely prevention is better than cure?

Again, let people think for themselves. We have the "fear" aspect. I am more afraid of ending up in prison than in hell

Again, maybe not in western society but other places don't have that fear, and there are other reasons for having religion even where this fear exists.

Religion is LARGELY a tool for control. (hello Mr. Obvious!)

Nowadays, maybe (largely being the operative word ) when it was started I don't think it was as much..

In modern society, religion has no purpose. It is still interesting from a historic point of view, but "believing" in a "God" is such qualified fucking bullshit I do not even know where to begin (and i probably shouldn't)

</incoherent-rant>

What makes you so sure there isn't a god? Either way, you can't prove it, and therefore believers have just as much right to stand up for/continue following god as you do to rubbish his existence... I agree with you , in that I don't believe in god, but I don't think the concept bullshit and definitely don't think you should be branding an extremely large (even though size is irrelivant) group of people's beliefs (which are obviously going to be very important to them) bullshit...

 

[Russell]

Originally posted by phyre
This is a bit offtopic but one pro-Christian argument people have is that church does all kinds of good things like help poor people in Africa with hospitals, schools, water, whatever, by collecting money. That totally disgusts me, as more often than not it seems they force their Christian beliefs on the African village and build a few churches in the process. That money would be SO much better spent on independent help organizations.

I know, and then they have these adverts saying how they've converted entire villages to christianity and how they are "happy now"... why feel the need to force religion on others, why can't every-one just be slightly more tolerant? Actually thats pretty obvious Ah well, it would be nice

 

[AjDeath]

Like I said before Phyre, I personally don't tell anyone how to live or what to beleive in, and I guess that I am looking for that same respect I give to people from other people, I never say that what someone else beleives in is wrong, I may have my own opinions about the world but I try to be polite, It would be appreciated if you tried also.

"Believing in a God is such qualified bullshit."

Thanks for implying that I am an imbacile.

 

[HarmonyDies....]

I used to go to a Catholic School and alot of Catholics are very nice people, but they are also very closed minded and afraid to think for themselves., but overall they are very nice people but can get on my nerved.

 

[HarmonyDies....]

I also do not know why people believe in God, utter bullshit to me, but hey that is just my two cents, they can worship a piece of shit for all I care, I just do not like it when they force the beliefs.

 

[=7thDaughterOfA7thSon=]

Its really hard listen black or death metal, and you know thats satanic,
but theres no good christian metal bands, id love to listen a good one.

 

[Annie]

lol humm.. christian metal is ok..
though there r some BOOOORINGG bands.. eeeeew.. lol!
i like Lightmare.. they r good though their singer kinda sucks a little.. ehehe

 

[7 Dying Trees]

I dunno, I checked some bands out, but mostly lame copies of some other band. I remember finding a site that had the "christian approved" versions of big band names.

Then again, POD rocks for the lord (or something like that) and look at how "good" they are...

Untill there's christian metal which is in itsself in some way different and genre defining then you can have a discussion about it in an easier fashion, but at the moment it seems to me that most bands are weaker copies of some other band. (Sort of like discount no name biscuits compared to the real thing).

 

[metalized]

Originally posted by =7thDaughterOfA7thSon=
Its really hard listen black or death metal, and you know thats satanic,
but theres no good christian metal bands, id love to listen a good one.

Lightmare
Steel Prophet (they have some christianic attitude: "If i once was in heaven, then who cast me to this hell?")
Mercury Rising (again not STRYPER like lyrics, yet they have some christianic references)
VENI DOMINE (Doom/Power/Prog with direct references to Bible. AWESOMEEEEEE )

 

[J.]

Originally posted by HarmonyDies....
I also do not know why people believe in God, utter bullshit to me, but hey that is just my two cents, they can worship a piece of shit for all I care, I just do not like it when they force the beliefs.

I believe in God and I have NEVER forced my beliefs on anybody, unless they ask. They always tell me, "Prove God exists". My answer- "Prove he doesn't".

Harmony Dies, you call Catholics close minded (I'm Baptist), yet here you are saying God is a piece of shit. Whoa, so oen minded you are

 

[7 Dying Trees]

Originally posted by Dreamlord


I believe in God and I have NEVER forced my beliefs on anybody, unless they ask. They always tell me, "Prove God exists". My answer- "Prove he doesn't".

Harmony Dies, you call Catholics close minded (I'm Baptist), yet here you are saying God is a piece of shit. Whoa, so oen minded you are

Scientifically speaking something is not proven to be true untill you cannot disprove it. As you are measuring a quantity/object and questioning it's existance then you have to prove it exists, not prove that it doesn't. If we were all presumed guilty untill proved innocent then that wouldn't be any good now would it? Not digging in to you or anything, it's just that unless someone can conclusively prove the existance of a supreme being then I personally am not going to believe in one (and even then...)

 

[HarmonyDies....]

Originally posted by HarmonyDies....
I also do not know why people believe in God, utter bullshit to me, but hey that is just my two cents, they can worship a piece of shit for all I care, I just do not like it when they force the beliefs.

@Dreamlord : Learn to read you dumb shit

 

[J.]

Harmony Dies, my point was to your second quote. I did that on purpose. Damn you're stupid.