Comparing OPETH and METALLICA: A field study.

[Duvall]

BWP just had such a different feel - I don't think people were expecting it to be the way it was.. The production was almost overwhelming - fortunately the writing and musicianship remained consistently excellent to make for a fine album through and through.

My Metallica listening stops at Master of Puppets (though I like some stuff off AJFA) - so my opinion on the contrast between Deliverance and AJFA is moot. But DAMN.. Deliverance is nice.

 

[Gnuckell]

Originally posted by Natural Born Chaos
I don't know why Lars gets such a bad rap--I think his drumming suited the music very well. Just because he's not a show-off doesn't mean he can't fit the music. Show-offs are ass, but any non-drummer thinks they're awesome because they don't know any better.

Here's why:

rtsp://demand1.stream.aol.com/wmg/us/eeg/metallica/metallica_com/2002/aug20_maw_rm.rm

Even the fat kid plays his ass off.

 

[Cynical Bastard]

Originally posted by Thorns of Sorrow
I think BWP was their most technical, with the most finger twisting riffs on any Opeth album, they also play in odd times. The use of the E bow throughout the album is incredible, the riffs fucking groove and move more than any Opeth album...The last riff in BWP is one of the greatest riffs of all time, just for the title track alone BWP is godly. The acoustic stuff was the most depressing and dark acoustic stuff they have ever written, the guitar solos were exquisite and tasteful. The songwriting was by far the most well written, well composed stuff Mikael has ever done. BWP is and will remain their crowning achievment as guitar players, song writers, and muscians.

I am now starting to see the beauty in Deliverance, although its still miniscule, and it takes ALOT of time to hit/understand. I'm sorry, as far as an overall musical journey, BWP takes the trophy, and BWP isnt even my favorite Opeth album...Its just DAMN good.

I do agree its their "Black" album...but not in the musical sence, in a more "breaking into the mainstream sence".

Agreed.

 

[GoufCustom]

I agree with the comparison, but they both bands play different styles.

 

[Slynt]

Of course the bands play different styles; cannot disagree with that. I was rather comparing the forms of the albums in question, and the evolution of said bands. And in this case, I'm very pleased as 'Deliverance' is a good step in the right direction from 'BWP'. What I felt lacking from 'BWP' was the diversity within the songs as Opeth did so well on previous albums. Songs like "Deliverance" and "Master's Apprentices" do have this varied structures, which was the reason I fell in love with Opeth in the first place.

 

[TheMindzI]

Well.. I haven't read all the posts (yet), but I always thought MetallicA as Opeth of the 80s (although I wouldn't tell anyone here cause I'd surely get flamed, as lots of ppl hate Metz as they are today.. I don't though).

They were way ahead of their time back in 80s (just like Opeth are), they created a unique sound, they combined heavy/speedy riffs with excellent slow/acoustic/melodic parts and blah blah blah... you got the point

 

[jester00]

Originally posted by Metalmaster


if you can't find any similarities between 'Deliverance' and '...And Justice for All' you're plain deaf.

i must be deaf..... perhaps someone can spoonfeed me the exact parts where these albums sound alike because i havent heard and justice for all in a while.

 

[elm lateral]

i must be deaf..... perhaps someone can spoonfeed me the exact parts where these albums sound alike because i havent heard and justice for all in a while.

fucken agree with you...

Well, i spose metallicas new album must be good, specially with ja-rule? fuck, lars cant rap...

 

[IanDork107]

Originally posted by Thorns of Sorrow
I think BWP was their most technical, with the most finger twisting riffs on any Opeth album, they also play in odd times. The use of the E bow throughout the album is incredible, the riffs fucking groove and move more than any Opeth album...The last riff in BWP is one of the greatest riffs of all time, just for the title track alone BWP is godly. The acoustic stuff was the most depressing and dark acoustic stuff they have ever written, the guitar solos were exquisite and tasteful. The songwriting was by far the most well written, well composed stuff Mikael has ever done. BWP is and will remain their crowning achievment as guitar players, song writers, and muscians.

I am now starting to see the beauty in Deliverance, although its still miniscule, and it takes ALOT of time to hit/understand. I'm sorry, as far as an overall musical journey, BWP takes the trophy, and BWP isnt even my favorite Opeth album...Its just DAMN good.

I do agree its their "Black" album...but not in the musical sence, in a more "breaking into the mainstream sence".

I only read the first two posts and I have to say, I agree with this one more. I think BWP is the most technical, and although I love Deliverance a lot, I think it's lacking the amazing E-Bow work from BWP. That is the main thing that put it aeons ahead of the others, but Deliverance has it's own charm and is a very fine album, just different. I think that's the best thing about Opeth though, that you don't know what to expect, that they'll throw curve balls at you with every new album.

 

[Natural Born Chaos]

Originally posted by Gnuckell
Here's why:

rtsp://demand1.stream.aol.com/wmg/us/eeg/metallica/metallica_com/2002/aug20_maw_rm.rm

Even the fat kid plays his ass off.

Interesting vid, but I fail to see what you're talking about.

 

[inferenzum]

There are definitely similarities -- especially between AJFA and Deliverance... listen to "master's apprentices" at the beginning and tell me it doesn't remind you of "Blackend." I'm not accusing opeth of ripping off, by any means, but the dynamics are similar. And that goes throughout all of opeth's music when compared to early Metallica.

I used to listen to metallica a lot, but now I can't even stand Metallica from its lovecraft-plagiarizing heyday in the 80's. From the moment I heard Opeth for the first time (Morningrise) I felt like I was hearing the kind of music Metallica was trying to do... done right. Metallica's most melodic, intricate sequences, whether heavy or acoustic, are completely blown away by opeth's dullest moments (not that they have any.)

musically, opeth is a hundred times more talented and innovative than metallica, and it's not just a question of one being ahead of the other time-wise. Opeth's music covers a wider range of dynamics and emotion, from absolute melancholy to absolute rage. metallica's music was never that articulate emotionally.

 

[Fifth_Horseman]

My Metallica collection only collects dust since I got into Opeth... I totally agree with the post above.

 

[Slynt]

Good to see that someone else discovered the same thing; it's about the dynamics. And yes, 'Morningrise' feels like the right thing compared to what Metallica did. On the other hand, wasn't Metallica like the first hard band to include acoustic pieces in their songs (the middle section of 'Master of Puppets' is beautiful, and if you ask me, as good as Opeth's acoustic pieces. Although Opeth have more mood to them. But that's cause they're European).

 

[Slynt]

i must be deaf..... perhaps someone can spoonfeed me the exact parts where these albums sound alike because i havent heard and justice for all in a while.

How about the song 'Deliverance'? Note the drumming and the heavy rythmic riffs. Very Metallica. I'm not saying they play the *same* riffs. Dynamics, and style.

 

[Protected Witness]

Originally posted by MacMoney
Just like Opeth?

Well, if you had actually read the post, no. Please refer to the signature.

Metallica eats shit. On top of totally changing their style (which isn't necessarily bad, but in their case... ), they have proven to me and I'm sure a majority of other people that they are money grubbing dinosaurs who are well past their prime.

Black album made them mainstream. I don't see how Blackwater Park made opeth mainstream. Instead of like 1500 people that listened to them before, now there's like 8000 people (hypothetical terms). That's not really mainstream...they aren't on the radio, they haven't toured with Godsmack or Creed, they haven't had a gold record, it's just the classic case of people who originally were into the band when they first came out getting pissy over the band's newfound audience. Cries of "sellout" or "Oh, they're so mainstream now," are heard. Then they come up with overly biased opinions about the albums that made them like the band, (i.e. Orchid, Morningrise) so much that can't see the forest for the trees, or in this case, the fact that Opeth have put out 6 great albums, not just two. This is really entirely ridiculous anyway because Opeth are not even close to "mainstream," they just happened to gain some more fans with Blackwater Park, and rightfully so, because it is a great CD.

Jeez, I remember the first time somebody told me about Opeth at a party or something...he says "Get Opeth's Morningrise, it's awesome, etc."
I told him that I had just seen Opeth in a Guitar World and that they had just put out a new album (Blackwater) and they had piqued my interest, so I said I'd try em out.

Immediately the guy was like "Oh no, guitar world? Now they're mainstream, I can't believe it! Man, I bet that album sucks," and he hadn't even heard it yet. So forgive me for generalizing, but a majority of people around here seem like this guy, and I have to take these kind of opinions with a grain of salt.

 

[TheMindzI]

Originally posted by inferenzum
From the moment I heard Opeth for the first time (Morningrise) I felt like I was hearing the kind of music Metallica was trying to do... done right. Metallica's most melodic, intricate sequences, whether heavy or acoustic, are completely blown away by opeth's dullest moments (not that they have any.)

musically, opeth is a hundred times more talented and innovative than metallica, and it's not just a question of one being ahead of the other time-wise. Opeth's music covers a wider range of dynamics and emotion, from absolute melancholy to absolute rage. metallica's music was never that articulate emotionally.

Well, MetallicA did it 15+ years ago... have you ever thought about it?

 

[forest of october]

Originally posted by yourdeadgroom
Dude, it's not polite to insult Martin on his own forum.

lol. very true.

 

[Brotherelf]

An interesting thread... I haven't comared them much, but I think there are too many Metallica haters here. Metallica is a great band..especially their 1st 5 albums (YES! even the black album) were great, and why hasn't anyone mentioned S&M? that was a fresh album even making me like some of the songs from load! Also, I think some of you hit it on the head, Metallica was doing diverse shit back in the fucken 80's....think about it, they were against all odds & still put out good shit! Like someone else on this thread said, they were kinda like the Opeth of the 80's. As far as drummers, I have no opinion. I am not a musician & they can both play better than me, and anyone else that commented on Lars' drumming shouldn't talk unless they too are musicians.
Different styles require different beats.

 

[Slynt]

The thing is that Lars Ulrich has made some very good recordings (Master, Justice), but he can't pull it off live. Listen to the heavy, rhytmic part near the end of "Deliverance"; very ulricish, even though Lopez is a much better drummer.

 

[Monsterxman]

Interesting. I agree.
There are a lot of similiarities between these bands... and history does repeat itself.
How about this:
Orchid = Kill 'Em All
Morningrise = Ride the Lightning
MAYH = Master of Puppets
Still Life = And Justice for All
BWP = Black Album
Deliverance = Load... (lol!)
Damnation = Reload... (even bigger lol!)