Conflict Marijuana

[By Design]

I am against drugs of all sorts, except alchole and tobacco. I think they cause to much problems, plus dope is viewed as a gateway drug - i cant see it doing any good in our society, thats why im against it. Its not because i am against freedom of expression and all that stuff that you yanks love to go on about but, well, 'drugs are bad, mkay'

i dont see how you can possibly find alcohol less menacing to a proper society than marijuana.

you wont find a stoner stumbling down the street in a drunken stride, or be so intoxicated that they become dangerous when operating anything. you also wont find 16+ year olds overdosing at parties on marijuana.

it is absurd to conclude that marijuana is unfit for a society entangled with alcohol and tobacco, two drugs undeniably more disrupting and dangerous.

but, these have been accepted and endorsed by the government, herb on the other hand has been subjected to decades of antagonist propaganda advertisements, spoon feeding a negative message while restricting awareness of both sides of the argument. Ultimately producing general prejudice against marijuana and supporting factual evidence.

 

[Silver Incubus]

Well, I guess my main point was .. calling someones post the "worst in the thread" is a little arrogant, especially since the person saying this hasn't really had a good record of posts himself.

Well what can I say, I don't post much because I have tendonitis, and one day soon I want to play my guitar again. But I was saying, as previously stated, that such a view on tobbaco and alcohol being ok and everything else not, is the very hypocritical, and drugs aren't bad, but Pharmaceutical companies are evil, and only care about what will give them profit and not helping people.

Face the Facts, your government is telling you that it is illegal to consume a plant. Illegal to grow a plant. Now if you don't see why that is absurd, then I don't think that you know what freedom is suppose to be.

 

[judas69]

"Freedom" needs to be tempered .. otherwise, it's anarchy.

 

[Dän]

Yes I'm hoping this was a joke otherwise it is the worst post so far in this thread.

lol - i want joking. Worst post goes to me
I gues i sort of understand why some people advocate marajuana being legalised - ive never thaken any drugs so i wouldnt know its effects first hand, and i didnt know that it wasnt as bad as achole in regards to its effects. Maby it wont be such a bad thing; the main reason i am against it i suppose is that, as i said before, it is commonly used as a gateway drug and can only lead to worse things

 

[Silver Incubus]

"Freedom" needs to be tempered .. otherwise, it's anarchy.

I don't think the government has any right to tell us what to do. They are there so other people don't harm you. And the fact that WE elect them, that means WE are the ones in charge. I am so sick of this bullshit that they call democracy, and sick of all the stupid shit that happens to people who harm no one. Smoking isn't a crime, its a personal choice. Just because some people don't approve or even like it, does not give anyone the right to impose their will to what I do to myself, my health, in my life. I'm sick of the people who hold their ideals over your head and look down upon you for living your life the way you feel most comfortable.

I know the real reason it is illegal, but I'm sure no one would believe me. Why? Because people tend to be full of shit, and don't listen to reason.
It is illegal because
A) its profitable for the government to run drugs and bust the small timers
B) it was a way for the White rulers to control the minorities by controlling their habbits

It is still illegal because cotton sales would go down when hemp would be mass produced for clothing, and everything else there is to make out of it. The best way to find the reasons behind anything these days is to follow the money trail, eventually you see the big picture for what it is. Capitalist Control.

 

[Silver Incubus]

lol - i want joking. Worst post goes to me
I gues i sort of understand why some people advocate marajuana being legalised - ive never thaken any drugs so i wouldnt know its effects first hand, and i didnt know that it wasnt as bad as achole in regards to its effects. Maby it wont be such a bad thing; the main reason i am against it i suppose is that, as i said before, it is commonly used as a gateway drug and can only lead to worse things

I find it hard to believe you have never taken any drugs. Nothing for the flu? a headache? Pain? Antibiotics? Never been to a doctor and had a prescription? Remember all medicines are drugs right? Except maybe those classed as herbal remidies or vitamins.

 

[hibernal_dream]

I'm sure he was talking about recreational drugs.

 

[Dän]

I find it hard to believe you have never taken any drugs. Nothing for the flu? a headache? Pain? Antibiotics? Never been to a doctor and had a prescription? Remember all medicines are drugs right? Except maybe those classed as herbal remidies or vitamins.

haha very funny - I was talking about illegal drugs

 

[By Design]

I gues i sort of understand why some people advocate marajuana being legalised - ive never thaken any drugs so i wouldnt know its effects first hand, and i didnt know that it wasnt as bad as achole in regards to its effects. Maby it wont be such a bad thing; the main reason i am against it i suppose is that, as i said before, it is commonly used as a gateway drug and can only lead to worse things

you say youve never used illegal recreational drugs, yet you argue that marijuana is "commonly used" as a gateway drug.

i believe this article might shed a little light on the topic. (already posted in this thread)

http://www.pdxnorml.org/gateway.html

Yes. I've tried many different hallucinogens, most at least twice. Some many more times.

ever smoke peyote? I would love to try it. (i dont know a single person who has a contact for it)

"Freedom" needs to be tempered .. otherwise, it's anarchy.

wouldnt true freedom allow the participant to engage in any activity they see fit, only if that activity didnt infringe on anothers freedom? (freedom of speech, life, property ect.)

besides, anarchy would thrive if greed wasnt a factor. but, because so many humans are inherently self centered, (our very own societal system is based on greed, capitalism) an anarchist state crumble.

 

[The Winnipeg Warrior]

Has anyone here used or experimented with Laudanum or Absinthe? Absinthe is legal in Canada and is sold in most controlled liquor marts. Just curious.....is this also the same in Europe?

 

[Saparmurat_Niyazov]

I'm surprised to see the poll at a tie (that's probably thanks to my vote). I would have assumed a larger to bias to either side of the issue.
Personally, I think marijuana should be legalised simply because its prohibition is legislating morality. It should be a personal choice (by a responsible adult - no, minors should never legally smoke pot) to use marijuana or any other naturally occurring intoxicating substance. I could go into why synthetic drugs should remain strictly regulated, but that's a completely different topic. Myself, I've experimented with most drugs, and still use marijuana on occasion, and I feel I've grown and learned from my experiences - many bad, many others equally good.

 

[derek]

Has anyone here used or experimented with Laudanum or Absinthe? Absinthe is legal in Canada and is sold in most controlled liquor marts. Just curious.....is this also the same in Europe?

Yes, it led to me and my toilet becoming the best of friends

 

[judas69]

I have a thing against drinking anything green ..

 

[Silver Incubus]

Yes, it led to me and my toilet becoming the best of friends

Well the thing about that is that it doesn't contain the Wormwood which is what gives the hallucinagenic properties. But of course that stuff is quite dangerous. Absinth is pretty crazy stuff. I like the fact that when you pour it through the sugar strainer it glows green

 

[derek]

Has anyone here visited Russia? Some the vodka on sale must be taken by the thimble full, as to limit the amount you an imbibe at once.

 

[The Winnipeg Warrior]

Has anyone here visited Russia? Some the vodka on sale must be taken by the thimble full, as to limit the amount you an imbibe at once.

Yes, I've been to both Moscow and St. Petersburg. It's simply an attempt by Putin (essentially all Russian leaders before that as well) to control the consumption amount, therefore hoping to curb the dependancy on the product. It follows along with their Communistic idealogy.

At the same time, though.....vodka production is costly in Russia.....resources and manpower are scarce.....and limits are used to conserve stock locally. As the main economic spinoffs are only attained via exports. That's where they concentrate their efforts.....the international marketplace.

 

[derek]

I did find it quite humourous that many of us refuse to revolt when bullshit laws are passed day after day, yet the Russians were willing to protest violently when it was suggested vodka consumption be heavily limited and regulated

 

[speed]

Has anyone here visited Russia? Some the vodka on sale must be taken by the thimble full, as to limit the amount you an imbibe at once.

I visited St. Petersburg and its environs in 2001. I remember how much a dollar would buy me, and the fact, that at any restaurant, they would not stop serving me various forms of vodka, until I stopped drinking and said Nyet. So, I dont think the Vodka consumption law was in effect at the time, because everywhere I went, they served those 1oz plastic dixie cups of vodka, but one just kept drinking them.

 

[derek]

My main intention in that post was to illustrate the ridiculous alcohol content of some Russian vodkas which leads to only thimble fulls being sold in one sitting, rather than the consumption laws.

 

[speed]

My main intention in that post was to illustrate the ridiculous alcohol content of some Russian vodkas which leads to only thimble fulls being sold in one sitting, rather than the consumption laws.

Ah, I thought it was the amount of consumption in general--it used to be like a liter a man per day. I personally love slightly chilled vodka.